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PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:40 pm
by MrC@ptuning.com
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:14 pm
by complacent
Holy work of art!! All of the fabrication looks
beautiful!!!
I'm very much looking forward to seeing ver 2.0 at the track.

Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:33 am
by Phibs
Agreed that is one beautiful car! I like the engine work a lot, much cleaner than any subaru i've seen ;0 ( But not much can be avoided given the boxer engine )
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:43 am
by sirwilliam

Very Nice! I sent you a PM.
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:27 am
by Sabre
That is some of the best work I have seen done, it is a work of art! I can't wait to see what she puts down!
BTW, how big is that turbo?
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:32 am
by MrC@ptuning.com
Sabre wrote:That is some of the best work I have seen done, it is a work of art! I can't wait to see what she puts down!
BTW, how big is that turbo?
Thanks for all the positive feedback. The turbo is a Garrett GT30R. We'll also run the GT35R on the faster course like VIR if for some reason the GT30R is not enough for the competition.
MrC
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:30 pm
by Phibs
How do you prevent turbo lag from hurting you with a 30R or larger?
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:35 pm
by MrC@ptuning.com
Phibs wrote:How do you prevent turbo lag from hurting you with a 30R or larger?
The answer is 2.4 liter (96mm stroke) and a lot of dyno time to optimizing timing everywhere. Everything is in place to maximize the full potential of the GT30R (GT3076R) (tubular equal length header with a true merge collector--we try to design the header-style manifold with minimal bends and keeping the runner as short as possible but still maintaining an equal-length setup, Full 3" mandrel-bent turbo-back exhaust). There's still a lot to be done; we will eventually test out our turbo-spec camshafts as well as our ported head with oversize valves and upgraded valvetrain. If need be, we can always look into implementing an anti-lag setup, but that's going to kill the life of the turbo and manifold, plus we'll need to run a standalone setup to make it work. Everything looks good on paper but we won't know what the final setup will be until we get the car on the dyno and on the track. We can only speculate at this time but turbo lag should not be an issue on this setup with the GT30R. We still have a lot of testing and development. Our ultimate goal is to eventually compete in the unlimited class with everything we learn from the modify class setup. We would like to tune and run this car with 93 octane and possibly 100 octane unleaded (for safety, especially on hot days). We will also try to test a water/methanol setup if time permits.
With the GT30-size turbo, we have a 9 variations that we can play with depending on if we want to faster spoolup or if we need more top end power:
More top end power (the tighter the turbine housing, the faster the spoolup, at the expense of top end power)
GT3076R: turbine housing A/R: .63 .82 1.06
Quicker spoolup than the GT3076R
GT3071R: turbine housing A/R: .63 .82 1.06
Even more top end power than the GT3076, but slower spoolup
GT3082R: turbine housing A/R: .63 .82 1.06
Knock on wood, but of all the turbo we've seen come into our shop, the off the shelf garrett turbo is the most reliable even though it's expensive, with turbonetics turbo being at the bottom of the list, along with all those mismatch frankenstein turbos.
MrC
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:09 pm
by Phibs
Very cool data, thanks for the excellent response!
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:33 pm
by Mr Kleen
excellent work again.
I want more money so I can spend it at PTuning.

Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:37 pm
by zaxrex
Can you put compressed air tanks in it so that it still sounds like the old Tc Jet on the straights? That new exhaust sure looks pretty, but I am going to miss the whooshing sound.
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:42 pm
by chicken n waffles
zaxrex wrote:Can you put compressed air tanks in it so that it still sounds like the old Tc Jet on the straights? That new exhaust sure looks pretty, but I am going to miss the whooshing sound.
AMEN
it sounded so undeniably awesome "whooshing" around summit point last year, especially in contrast to every other time attack car out there.
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:28 pm
by complacent
chicken n waffles wrote:zaxrex wrote:Can you put compressed air tanks in it so that it still sounds like the old Tc Jet on the straights? That new exhaust sure looks pretty, but I am going to miss the whooshing sound.
AMEN
it sounded so undeniably awesome "whooshing" around summit point last year, especially in contrast to every other time attack car out there.
a big

over here as well.
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:58 pm
by Libra Monkee
Will it still sound like the whippoorwill?
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:51 pm
by zaxrex
Well this thing here is going to make it sound like some animal
With the BOV and boost controller that they are running, I think the boos flutter and associated bird sounds will not be heard. Well, until they get their anti-lag going...
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:50 pm
by avriette
I may just be talking out my ass here, but it looks to me like the hot side sort of coddles the oil pan. I see the oil cooler up front, but with a wet sump, you're still going to have oil pooling in the bottom that's hot -- really hot. Am I missing something there? I would imagine you lose some viscosity and/or oil life with that positioning. Have you thought about dry sumping it or adding baffling to the oil pan or something? At least with baffles, it wouldn't all be pooling in one spot.
On the other hand, it's a perfectly reasonable solution to just say "exert one lateral gee on the car every minute or so."
edit: I guess after
reading instead of staring at the pretty pictures, I see that a dry sump is on the way.
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:02 pm
by spazegun2213

WOW! this is amazing work guys!! I'm very impressed and I cannot wait to see the car in person! really i cannot wait to climb into this car, its not even remotely the same car as last year!!!!
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:54 am
by Mr Kleen
avriette wrote: ...it looks to me like the hot side sort of coddles the oil pan.
have you noticed where the exhaust manifold on a Subaru flat four runs? I didn't like it when I first dropped the undertray on the WRX and had a look, but packaging is what it is. with the large oil cooler and frequent changes I would guess that the tC shouldn't have any issues.
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:06 pm
by zaxrex
Well thats it. Ross is already planning to melt something else...

Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:51 pm
by spazegun2213
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:55 am
by MrC@ptuning.com
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:30 pm
by zaxrex
Son of a bitch! You have to be kidding, that cage is a cross between art and Federal prison cell enclosures.
Love it

Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 2:49 pm
by complacent
zaxrex wrote:Son of a bitch! You have to be kidding, that cage is a cross between art and Federal prison cell enclosures.
Love it


Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:12 pm
by spazegun2213

WOW GUYS THATS NICE!!!
Re: PTUNING: Project RedLine Time Attack tC (Ver 2.0)
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:52 pm
by Sabre
Wow, I have to agree with the others, that is a work of art! I can't wit to see it tomorrow
