Is it over for Blu-Ray?

Libra Monkee · Post by **Libra Monkee** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:04 am

The Porn industry goes with HD-DVD.

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Post by **Sabre** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:43 am

Ya, I saw that... buess that changes my mind about getting a PS3.... not... haha

sirwilliam · Post by **sirwilliam** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:12 pm

Actually, there was a big article on the PS3 vs. 2 other component stand alone Blue-Ray players in the latest Sound and Vision. The other players cost $1000 and $1200 but the PS3 was as good or better then the other two at a fraction of the cost (w/ the added bonus of playing video games!).

I will end up buying the PS3 just for the blue ray player but will probably wait a while for (a) the price to go down and (b) to work out any more problems/bugs they find (which they will since it is still new).

For gaming, I would rather have the Wii.

Mr Kleen · Post by **Mr Kleen** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:22 pm

perhaps I'm showing my age (curmudgeony old man alert) but I don't understand the "the PS3 is a cheap Blu-Ray player so I want one" thing. there isn't enough Blu-Ray content to make me entertain the idea of buying a $600 Blu-Ray player. start putting out cheap box sets of NASA mission footage in HD, or nature specials filmed in HD and then maybe. now? no.

Post by **complacent** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:02 pm

Mr Kleen wrote:perhaps I'm showing my age (curmudgeony old man alert) but I don't understand the "the PS3 is a cheap Blu-Ray player so I want one" thing. there isn't enough Blu-Ray content to make me entertain the idea of buying a $600 Blu-Ray player. start putting out cheap box sets of NASA mission footage in HD, or nature specials filmed in HD and then maybe. now? no.

sirwilliam · Post by **sirwilliam** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:33 pm

Mr Kleen wrote:perhaps I'm showing my age (curmudgeony old man alert) but I don't understand the "the PS3 is a cheap Blu-Ray player so I want one" thing. there isn't enough Blu-Ray content to make me entertain the idea of buying a $600 Blu-Ray player. start putting out cheap box sets of NASA mission footage in HD, or nature specials filmed in HD and then maybe. now? no.

Okay old man, here is the thing...Blue Ray is not going anywhere and there are more titles coming out everyday (there are already hundreds). No, you can't rent them but that is why you still have regular DVDs for the time being. Eventually all standard DVDs will be replaced w/ HD DVDs (BlueRay and HDDVD). The thing is there is no comparison between standard DVD content and HD DVD content (same thing goes w/ over the air broadcasts).

480i vs. 1080P = no comparison. Yes, there is line doubling/upconversion but that still doesn't even come close to pure HD content.

If you can get a cheaper HD DVD player(vs. stand alone players) that is as good if not better but also gives you the ability to play PS2 and PS3 games, well that is a good deal in my book. To each his own. Some people could care less about great Video/Audio and still watching a 13" B/W TV using a mono 2 Watt speaker.

chicken n waffles · Post by **chicken n waffles** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:43 pm

Mr Kleen wrote:perhaps I'm showing my age (curmudgeony old man alert) but I don't understand the "the PS3 is a cheap Blu-Ray player so I want one" thing. there isn't enough Blu-Ray content to make me entertain the idea of buying a $600 Blu-Ray player. start putting out cheap box sets of NASA mission footage in HD, or nature specials filmed in HD and then maybe. now? no.

it's more of a "buy one for the hd dvd explosion that's around the corner" thing.

regardless, $600 for a console gaming system is teh NO. it conjures memories of the neo geo and its ludicrous price point. does anyone actually know someone who owned a neo geo? i doubt it. for the record, i knew one guy who did, but he was a spoiled little bitch.

sirwilliam · Post by **sirwilliam** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:36 pm

chicken n waffles wrote:
Mr Kleen wrote:perhaps I'm showing my age (curmudgeony old man alert) but I don't understand the "the PS3 is a cheap Blu-Ray player so I want one" thing. there isn't enough Blu-Ray content to make me entertain the idea of buying a $600 Blu-Ray player. start putting out cheap box sets of NASA mission footage in HD, or nature specials filmed in HD and then maybe. now? no.

regardless, $600 for a console gaming system is teh NO. it conjures memories of the neo geo and its ludicrous price point. does anyone actually know someone who owned a neo geo? i doubt it. for the record, i knew one guy who did, but he was a spoiled little bitch.

So is $10k that people are spending on gaming PCs. You could wait until the price drops (which it will) or just get it now. If you wait long enough for the price to drop, there will be something new and better. It is all about keeping up w/ the latest and greatest...and yes, there is a price for that.

It might also be diffent for my family b/c my father and I are pretty big into movies and want great sound and picture. We also don't have cable/SAT, we have an HDTV antennae and buy a lot of DVDs.

sirwilliam · Post by **sirwilliam** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:02 pm

This was a good quote from that article:

One of the big problems they have with Blu-ray is its expense, followed by its market share. "Blu-ray has superior quality, yes," said a spokesperson for porn studio Bangbros, "but HD DVD is easier to produce, cheaper to produce and there are more HD DVD players in homes than there are Blu-ray players, for example in the Xbox 360."

chicken n waffles · Post by **chicken n waffles** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:59 pm

sirwilliam wrote: So is $10k that people are spending on gaming PCs. You could wait until the price drops (which it will) or just get it now. If you wait long enough for the price to drop, there will be something new and better. It is all about keeping up w/ the latest and greatest...and yes, there is a price for that.

people aren't lining up, camping out, beating the ish out of eachother to get a 10k computer. i think your comparison is a little far-fetched.

sirwilliam · Post by **sirwilliam** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:36 pm

chicken n waffles wrote:
sirwilliam wrote: So is $10k that people are spending on gaming PCs. You could wait until the price drops (which it will) or just get it now. If you wait long enough for the price to drop, there will be something new and better. It is all about keeping up w/ the latest and greatest...and yes, there is a price for that.
people aren't lining up, camping out, beating the ish out of eachother to get a 10k computer. i think your comparison is a little far-fetched.

No, I just meant the comparison of insane price. Yes, the lining up, camping out, beating each other is just ridiculous.

WRXWagon2112 · Post by **WRXWagon2112** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:57 pm

sirwilliam wrote:This was a good quote from that article:

One of the big problems they have with Blu-ray is its expense, followed by its market share. "Blu-ray has superior quality, yes," said a spokesperson for porn studio Bangbros, "but HD DVD is easier to produce, cheaper to produce and there are more HD DVD players in homes than there are Blu-ray players, for example in the Xbox 360."

Same thing was said of Beta versus VHS and we can see who won that battle. The economical choice always wins because the manufacturers and studios are always cost conscious.

--Alan

Libra Monkee · Post by **Libra Monkee** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:52 am

Something tell me Blu-Ray is destined to go the way of the PSP UMD movies. They'll be out for a while, predominately only 'Sony Pictures' will be released on them, and people will think they're cool. But ultimately consumers will choose cheaper and more versatile (but not always better) medium.

Mr Kleen · Post by **Mr Kleen** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:24 am

sirwilliam wrote: Okay old man, here is the thing...Blue Ray is not going anywhere and there are more titles coming out everyday (there are already hundreds).

BetaMax totally Pwnes VHS!!!1! UMD is da bomb, I wish my mom would buy me a PSP!!! I can record on a MiniDisk and they never skip: they're the greatest!

what format has SONY ever managed to sell?

no more "early adopter" here. I'm waiting for the smoke to clear and a large amount of TRUE HD content before I even think of buying another format. as I said: give me some amazing NASA footage or some great nature programs filmed and mastered in HD and I'll think about it.
the latest Robin Williams mugfest? 480p on my 47" Mitsu 16:9 1080i monitor is fine for now.

sirwilliam · Post by **sirwilliam** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:35 am

WRXWagon2112 wrote:
sirwilliam wrote:This was a good quote from that article:

One of the big problems they have with Blu-ray is its expense, followed by its market share. "Blu-ray has superior quality, yes," said a spokesperson for porn studio Bangbros, "but HD DVD is easier to produce, cheaper to produce and there are more HD DVD players in homes than there are Blu-ray players, for example in the Xbox 360."
Same thing was said of Beta versus VHS and we can see who won that battle. The economical choice always wins because the manufacturers and studios are always cost conscious.

--Alan

But Sony owned Beta...so now Sony is going w/ Blue-ray...but I don't think it is going anywhere anytime soon. Just like the whole DVD-R vs. DVD+R...those are both still around but now basically all new players play both formats DVD-/+RW.

sirwilliam · Post by **sirwilliam** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:49 am

Mr Kleen wrote:
sirwilliam wrote: Okay old man, here is the thing...Blue Ray is not going anywhere and there are more titles coming out everyday (there are already hundreds).
BetaMax totally Pwnes VHS!!!1! UMD is da bomb, I wish my mom would buy me a PSP!!! I can record on a MiniDisk and they never skip: they're the greatest!

what format has SONY ever managed to sell?

no more "early adopter" here. I'm waiting for the smoke to clear and a large amount of TRUE HD content before I even think of buying another format. as I said: give me some amazing NASA footage or some great nature programs filmed and mastered in HD and I'll think about it.
the latest Robin Williams mugfest? 480p on my 47" Mitsu 16:9 1080i monitor is fine for now.

OMFG, you like UMD, too!

No, not every format will last but I am pretty confident that both these formats will still be battling it out until that new Japanese format comes out that pawns both of them (something like 1TB of disc space...can't remember exactly). Also, some people that have 1080P HDTVs (like my 60") would like to utilize its full potential. Again, to each his own and I am sorry they don't have enough nature and NASA programs in HD out yet for you.

Libra Monkee · Post by **Libra Monkee** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:27 am

I like the UMD also except for three reasons

1) You could only view them on PSP
II) They didn't have all the features of the DVD. Despite both of those reasons
C) They generally cost more than DVDs.

I like versatility in the media I pay for. Hence the reason I don't shop at iTunes.

Getting back on topic, Blu-Ray is supposed to come with all kinds of DRM/ root-kit copyright protection on all of it's discs to keep them from being copied. For me that won't do because I like to copy my more favorite movies to my computer so I can watch it at my desk without having to hunt down the DVD or convert it so I can watch it on my PSP without having to buy 50 million copies of the same movie.

sirwilliam · Post by **sirwilliam** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:48 am

Libra Monkee wrote: Getting back on topic, Blu-Ray is supposed to come with all kinds of DRM/ root-kit copyright protection on all of it's discs to keep them from being copied. For me that won't do because I like to copy my more favorite movies to my computer so I can watch it at my desk without having to hunt down the DVD or convert it so I can watch it on my PSP without having to buy 50 million copies of the same movie.

Don't worry...I have a "friend" that likes to have "Backups" of all his movies, too

There will always be copyprotection and there will always be a work around.

Mr Kleen · Post by **Mr Kleen** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:16 pm

there is almost no difference between 1080i and 1080p.

like the difference between going 200 mph and 203 mph: 203 mph is faster, but...

Post by **Sabre** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:29 pm

Mr Kleen wrote:there is almost no difference between 1080i and 1080p.

like the difference between going 200 mph and 203 mph: 203 mph is faster, but...

I'm not sure about that. 1080i and 720p are definitely comparable, but 720p vs 1080p should be noticeable.

Mr Kleen · Post by **Mr Kleen** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:45 pm

Sabre wrote: I'm not sure about that. 1080i and 720p are definitely comparable, but 720p vs 1080p should be noticeable.

perhaps, but I'm not compairing 720p and 1080p...

Post by **Sabre** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:59 pm

Sorry, by the above, I meant that 1080i and 720p are VERY close in how they look. 1080p and 1080i should look very different from each other.

WRXWagon2112 · Post by **WRXWagon2112** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:00 pm

Well wait a minute ...

1080i is interlaced, so only half the lines are "on" at one time (refresh rate of the human eye notwithstanding). So you have 540 lines "on" at one time.

720p is progressive so all 720 lines are "on" at a time.

1) 720 (720p) versus 540 (1080i)

1080p is progressive so all 1,080 lines are "on" at one time.

2) 1,080 (1080p) versus 540 (1080i)

While you may not see much of a difference is situation number 1, I've got to believe that you'll notice a difference in situation number 2 (1080i vs 1080p).

--Alan

Libra Monkee · Post by **Libra Monkee** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:16 pm

Even still no content is really available in 1080p. So it's kind of hard to make a comparison. The vast majority HD content caps out at 1080i (i.e. Cable, Satellite, Xbox 360, PS3). Now yes, PS3 is supposed to be able to put out 1080p but even that hasn't been going all that well. Most of the games have just been converted from 720p to 1080i/p. Which if you have ever enlarged a picture you'll have an idea of how well that works out.

Mr Kleen · Post by **Mr Kleen** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:38 pm

I've seen a 1080i monitor next to a 1080p monitor and the differences were minuscule. point of diminishing returns...