OLED

[sirwilliam]

Well, I know this isn't new news but some might not know about it and I am super excited about it so I will share

OLED = Organic Light Emitting Diodode

NOTE: Sony dropped their R&D in SXRD (which was already best technology and top rated at the time) and put all their efforts into OLED (okay a little into their LCD but most in OLED)...why? B/c it is awesome...that is why!

Sony was the first to produce a consumer version 11" widescreen OLED HDTV which costs ~$2000 at the moment (yes, not cheap but this is just entry level w/ new technology which is always asinine in cost). Why so much and who cares about a puny 11" HDTV?

Here is the thing...the Sony OLED 11" HDTV:

• *Has the same pixel density as a 1080P 42" HDTV
  *Has a 1000000:1 contrast ratio
  *Is only 3mm thick
  *Consumes almost 1/2 the energy of what an standard LCD consumes for normal use
  *...etc
  *...etc
  *...etc

OLED => SONY INFO

This is just the beginning for what is possible w/ this technology...

Larger screen sizes and higher native resolutions are possible. As substrates get thinner, the displays will in turn get thinner. There are a variety of other uses for OLED technology. In fact, Sony has developed a new application for OLED technology called Organic Thin Film Transistor (TFT).

The newly developed Organic TFT can be deposited on a flexible plastic display, which is the world's first full-color display that can project full color moving images even when the display is bent.



...just thought I would share...these are very exciting times.

[ElZorro]

I was funding OLED research when I was with the Navy back in 2001-2003... amazing stuff. As you say, flexible, high quality displays, relatively cheap to manufacture (but expensive to build the fab lines), reasonable power requirements... great solution for many tasks. There have been products on the market with OLED screens since 2003 (I believe one was a Kodak point-n-shoot digital with a OLED display on the back). I've seen prototype OLED screens up in the 17-18" range, but nothing that big had entered production.

[Mr Kleen]

that 11" Sony OLED HDTV is $2500. it's cool, but not THAT cool.

[Libra Monkee]

I saw that displayed at CES last year. It looks great and has a LOT of potential but is still to expensive for the consumer market.

[sirwilliam]

that 11" Sony OLED HDTV is $2500. it's cool, but not THAT cool.

I am using the SONY 11" OLED HDTV as a reference to the awesome potential of the OLED technology.

...It looks great and has a LOT of potential but is still to expensive for the consumer market.

Exactly and it will get cheaper.

[Cereb Daithi]

I thought this was another post on that silly super-expensive keyboard.

Nah this is pretty cool stuff though. I agree I see a lot of potential in the future.

[Libra Monkee]

I thought this was another post on that silly super-expensive keyboard.

If that keyboard didn't cost $Connecticut I would have it and it would pwn so hard.

[zaxrex]

Sony was the first to produce a consumer version OLED HDTV

Umm, maybe the first to sell an 11" HDTV with OLED, but hardly the first to sell an OLED HDTV.

[Cereb Daithi]

If that keyboard didn't cost $Connecticut I would have it and it would pwn so hard.

I agree. And yes it does cost $Conneticut

Hopefully OLED technology is in reach of the average consumer market soon!

[sirwilliam]

Sony was the first to produce a consumer version OLED HDTV

Umm, maybe the first to sell an 11" HDTV with OLED, but hardly the first to sell an OLED HDTV.

Geez you guys are busting my balls...yes, a consumer 11" OLED HDTV.

[WRXWagon2112]

Geez you guys are busting my balls...yes, a consumer 11" OLED HDTV.

Yeah, I think even Sony knows that this particular TV is not going to be a big seller - but then again, that's not it's purpose. When plasma TVs first came out, they were insanely expensive and didn't sell very well. They weren't anticipated to sell very well, though. Just like this 11" TV. The point is to start to introduce this new technology to consumers. And everything I've heard about this model is positive. Not just positive, but glowing. The OLED technology as applied to an HDTV apparently provides an unbelievable picture. Can't wait to see this in larger screen sizes and for less money.

--Alan

[sirwilliam]

Geez you guys are busting my balls...yes, a consumer 11" OLED HDTV.

Yeah, I think even Sony knows that this particular TV is not going to be a big seller - but then again, that's not it's purpose. When plasma TVs first came out, they were insanely expensive and didn't sell very well. They weren't anticipated to sell very well, though. Just like this 11" TV. The point is to start to introduce this new technology to consumers. And everything I've heard about this model is positive. Not just positive, but glowing. The OLED technology as applied to an HDTV apparently provides an unbelievable picture. Can't wait to see this in larger screen sizes and for less money.

--Alan

Exactly. Thank you.

[Sabre]

I believe this is the display that they showed off awhile ago with the magnifying glass... Basically they showed a picture of some fabric and invited people to look at it with a magnifying glass... Apparently you could see the fibers!

[Mr Kleen]

I believe this is the display that they showed off awhile ago with the magnifying glass... Basically they showed a picture of some fabric and invited people to look at it with a magnifying glass... Apparently you could see the fibers!

mental note: NEVER watch PR0N on an OLED TV..

[scheherazade]

I'm hoping that OLED technology shows us FPS gamers some love.
LG has an OLED screen that does something like 500 or 1000 hz (this was last year).
Modern LCDs could show some really high frame rates too, but I guess there just isn't a market for it.

1) Suppliers of the backend components don't bother making equipment that can buffer+trace faster than 60hz. (even an LCD at 75 only shows 60hz, it goes 1 2 3 4 4 1 2 3 4 4, etc, doubles up on one frame.)

2) DVI interface was tailored too conservatively. Notice this table from wikipedia. 2048x1536@75hz. My flat CRT KDS 22" from circa 2000 could top dual link DVI by 10hz via VGA, and there were even faster CRTs on the market too...

* Example display modes (single link):
o HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (139 MHz)
o UXGA (1600 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (161 MHz)
o WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (154 MHz)
o SXGA (1280 × 1024) @ 85 Hz with GTF blanking (159 MHz)
o WXGA+ (1440 x 900) @ 60 Hz (107 MHz)
o WQUXGA (3840 × 2400) @ 17 Hz (164 MHz)

* Example display modes (dual link):
o QXGA (2048 × 1536) @ 75 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 170 MHz)
o HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 85 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 126 MHz)
o WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 174 MHz) (30-inch (762 mm) Apple, Dell, Gateway, HP, NEC, Quinux, and Samsung LCDs)
o WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 135 MHz) (30-inch (762 mm) Apple, Dell, Gateway, HP, NEC, Quinux, and Samsung LCDs)
o WQUXGA (3840 × 2400) @ 33 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 159 MHz)


I would basically like to see improvements in the back end and interface to improve the frame rates.
Not because of flicker, but because I want smoother motion in video games.

I know many people don't believe that the "human eye can see beyond XXX(usualy 35 to 60) hz", but if anyone wants you're welcome to check out my computer at 150hz, then turn it down to 60hz, and see for yourself how much easier it is to think/move/predict while viewing 150hz.

Temporal judder :
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/TempRate.mspx
http://www.projectorcentral.com/judder_24p.htm

When you're used to 60, 150 seems a little smoother.
When you're used to 150(or even 85) , 60 seems like a train wreck.

Anyways, I'm chugging along with my HM204DT, hoping that maybe OLED [and hopefully the back-end that comes with it] will save me from this giant box.

:: Crosses fingers for OLED ::

-scheherazade


edit : The 120hz LCD marketing phenomenon (which is what we know as 60hz on a CRT. Image->black->image->black) might pull up refresh rates, since folks won't want to see the flicker on their LCDs, even if they did gain in clarity.

[sirwilliam]

I'm hoping that OLED technology shows us FPS gamers some love.
LG has an OLED screen that does something like 500 or 1000 hz (this was last year).
Modern LCDs could show some really high frame rates too, but I guess there just isn't a market for it.

1) Suppliers of the backend components don't bother making equipment that can buffer+trace faster than 60hz. (even an LCD at 75 only shows 60hz, it goes 1 2 3 4 4 1 2 3 4 4, etc, doubles up on one frame.)

2) DVI interface was tailored too conservatively. Notice this table from wikipedia. 2048x1536@75hz. My flat CRT KDS 22" from circa 2000 could top dual link DVI by 10hz via VGA, and there were even faster CRTs on the market too...

* Example display modes (single link):
o HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (139 MHz)
o UXGA (1600 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (161 MHz)
o WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (154 MHz)
o SXGA (1280 × 1024) @ 85 Hz with GTF blanking (159 MHz)
o WXGA+ (1440 x 900) @ 60 Hz (107 MHz)
o WQUXGA (3840 × 2400) @ 17 Hz (164 MHz)

* Example display modes (dual link):
o QXGA (2048 × 1536) @ 75 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 170 MHz)
o HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 85 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 126 MHz)
o WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 174 MHz) (30-inch (762 mm) Apple, Dell, Gateway, HP, NEC, Quinux, and Samsung LCDs)
o WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 135 MHz) (30-inch (762 mm) Apple, Dell, Gateway, HP, NEC, Quinux, and Samsung LCDs)
o WQUXGA (3840 × 2400) @ 33 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 159 MHz)


I would basically like to see improvements in the back end and interface to improve the frame rates.
Not because of flicker, but because I want smoother motion in video games.

I know many people don't believe that the "human eye can see beyond XXX(usualy 35 to 60) hz", but if anyone wants you're welcome to check out my computer at 150hz, then turn it down to 60hz, and see for yourself how much easier it is to think/move/predict while viewing 150hz.

Temporal judder :
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/TempRate.mspx
http://www.projectorcentral.com/judder_24p.htm

When you're used to 60, 150 seems a little smoother.
When you're used to 150(or even 85) , 60 seems like a train wreck.

Anyways, I'm chugging along with my HM204DT, hoping that maybe OLED [and hopefully the back-end that comes with it] will save me from this giant box.

:: Crosses fingers for OLED ::

-scheherazade


edit : The 120hz LCD marketing phenomenon (which is what we know as 60hz on a CRT. Image->black->image->black) might pull up refresh rates, since folks won't want to see the flicker on their LCDs, even if they did gain in clarity.

Also to note: Current HDTV LCDs have up to 240hz refresh (EX: LINKY)and they are about to put out 480hz refresh here soon...they are also increasing from the current 10bit display (which is an already substantial vs. the old 8bit displays) for the LCD HDTVs.

[Katya4me]

http://www.slashgear.com/ces-2009-oqo-m ... n-0829398/
http://www.oqo.com/products/model2+/specifications.html
OLED UMPC from OQO

OQO’s UMPCs have always been tempting devices thanks to their compact size and impressive build-quality, but the company can now add performance to their list of abilities. The OQO Model 2+ marks a shift for the company to Intel’s Atom range of mobile processors, in this case the 1.86GHz Z540, paired with 2GB of RAM and either a 120GB HDD or 60GB SSD. Most impressive, perhaps, is the new OLED touchscreen - in fact the Model 2+ is the first such mobile computing device to have one - which, with the Atom chipset’s hardware video decoding, produces some incredible picture quality.

Add to that global 3G capabilities thanks to Qualcomm’s Gobi wireless chipset - with OQO again being the first to include it - that gives you 3G HSPA and EVDO connectivity and a neat $300 docking station with extra USB ports, ethernet and slot-loading optical drive, and you’ve got an interesting rival to the new Sony VAIO P. Starting at $999, you’re getting more for your money than you did with the last-gen Model 2 too.

We’re hoping to get our hands on a Model 2+ review unit very soon, and we’re really excited about testing it out in the real-world. On the show floor, the keyboard was small but usable, the display a good size for web browsing, media and simple typing, and while weighty the 2+ wasn’t too heavy considering what’s inside.

[complacent]

http://www.slashgear.com/ces-2009-oqo-m ... n-0829398/
http://www.oqo.com/products/model2+/specifications.html
OLED UMPC from OQO

OQO’s UMPCs have always been tempting devices thanks to their compact size and impressive build-quality, but the company can now add performance to their list of abilities. The OQO Model 2+ marks a shift for the company to Intel’s Atom range of mobile processors, in this case the 1.86GHz Z540, paired with 2GB of RAM and either a 120GB HDD or 60GB SSD. Most impressive, perhaps, is the new OLED touchscreen - in fact the Model 2+ is the first such mobile computing device to have one - which, with the Atom chipset’s hardware video decoding, produces some incredible picture quality.

Add to that global 3G capabilities thanks to Qualcomm’s Gobi wireless chipset - with OQO again being the first to include it - that gives you 3G HSPA and EVDO connectivity and a neat $300 docking station with extra USB ports, ethernet and slot-loading optical drive, and you’ve got an interesting rival to the new Sony VAIO P. Starting at $999, you’re getting more for your money than you did with the last-gen Model 2 too.

We’re hoping to get our hands on a Model 2+ review unit very soon, and we’re really excited about testing it out in the real-world. On the show floor, the keyboard was small but usable, the display a good size for web browsing, media and simple typing, and while weighty the 2+ wasn’t too heavy considering what’s inside.

Wow! I've been loosely following their gear for at least two years now... I finally think they're close enough to use vs price. Way cool.

[zaxrex]

Well, it has all the features that Gabe is looking for in a cell phone. Oh, except it is not a cell phone... Damn, thought I was on to something there.

[Mr Kleen]

Well, it has all the features that Gabe is looking for in a cell phone. Oh, except it is not a cell phone... Damn, thought I was on to something there.

all but the size

[Cereb Daithi]

There is actually a company here in pittsburgh working on flexible OLED

http://www.plextronics.com/index.aspx

[scheherazade]

http://www.slashgear.com/ces-2009-oqo-m ... n-0829398/
http://www.oqo.com/products/model2+/specifications.html
OLED UMPC from OQO

OQO’s UMPCs have always been tempting devices thanks to their compact size and impressive build-quality, but the company can now add performance to their list of abilities. The OQO Model 2+ marks a shift for the company to Intel’s Atom range of mobile processors, in this case the 1.86GHz Z540, paired with 2GB of RAM and either a 120GB HDD or 60GB SSD. Most impressive, perhaps, is the new OLED touchscreen - in fact the Model 2+ is the first such mobile computing device to have one - which, with the Atom chipset’s hardware video decoding, produces some incredible picture quality.

Add to that global 3G capabilities thanks to Qualcomm’s Gobi wireless chipset - with OQO again being the first to include it - that gives you 3G HSPA and EVDO connectivity and a neat $300 docking station with extra USB ports, ethernet and slot-loading optical drive, and you’ve got an interesting rival to the new Sony VAIO P. Starting at $999, you’re getting more for your money than you did with the last-gen Model 2 too.

We’re hoping to get our hands on a Model 2+ review unit very soon, and we’re really excited about testing it out in the real-world. On the show floor, the keyboard was small but usable, the display a good size for web browsing, media and simple typing, and while weighty the 2+ wasn’t too heavy considering what’s inside.

http://www.raondigital.com/fnt_english/evn02.asp

dual core and 3d acceleration.
awesome for traveling and having some fun too.

-scheherazade

[Cereb Daithi]

Actually I was just thinking. I sort of mentioned it in the home-built driving simulator thread...

Since flexible high resolution displays are possible, what could this mean for say driving simulators. Seamless wraparound views?

I'm just excited to see where this leads technolgy. With other advances in processing and data storage. Things becoming smaller, faster, less power consuming and able to store more I'm inclined to agree with Will. These are exciting times.

[Sabre]

Updating an old topic... I saw a OLED TV/Blu ray player at Fry's. It's was 11" and $2500, but it was also THE best picture I have ever seen on a TV.

[ElZorro]

Updating an old topic... I saw a OLED TV/Blu ray player at Fry's. It's was 11" and $2500, but it was also THE best picture I have ever seen on a TV.

What hz rating was it?