GM Dropping Subaru - Shares Bought by Toyota?

WRXWagon2112 · Post by **WRXWagon2112** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:00 pm

Did anyone else see this?

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp ... e_id=10183

Looks like GM will divest itself of Subaru - and Toyota may buy those shares. I wonder how this will play out in the product line up? It certainly means no more Saab 9-2X's...

--Alan

Post by **complacent** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:06 pm

Other than not having the SAAB's rolling around, I think some TRD influence might be a good thing. I mean, Toyota can put together a much nicer car than GM can... I'd be interested to see what happens.

just my .02USD

Mr Kleen · Post by **Mr Kleen** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:26 pm

from what I've gathered it mostly means no more Saabaru and Toyota will start using FHI's improved batteries in their hybrid vehicles. I don't think it will mean much more than that. nobody in the world is as proficient at badge engineering as The General. but then again, perhaps a twin turbo flat six AWD Supra might be in the works?

edit: and while we're at it let's go ahead and make this dream Supra a mid engine and $26,000!

Post by **complacent** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:29 pm

^^^^ *boing*

Post by **Sabre** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:38 pm

It will be interesting to see how it pans out. I'll miss the Sabaru's

Toyota has done well in Rally, so it will be interesting to see the "sharing" of information/hardware between the two.

Man I wish they would bring the Supra back, that is a DAMN sexy car.

spazegun2213 · Post by **spazegun2213** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:55 pm

sabre wrote:It will be interesting to see how it pans out. I'll miss the Sabaru's Toyota has done well in Rally, so it will be interesting to see the "sharing" of information/hardware between the two.

Man I wish they would bring the Supra back, that is a DAMN sexy car.

just wait for 2007, there are rumors of a v10 500hp $50K beast in the works. Also for 2007 comes the new Skyline (not some cheap infinity knock off either!)

Post by **ElZorro** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:56 pm

When was the last time Toyota was involved in WRC?

Post by **Sabre** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:43 pm

^^^ I was actually thinking of the red Peugeot car. It has Toyota on it... don't laugh....

Post by **ElZorro** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:53 pm

Toyota kicked ass back in the ?80's? in rally, dunno why they dropped out. Zak, any thoughts?

Post by **Sabre** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:56 pm

BTW, Subaru isn't doing so well this year from the points standings

What's up with that?~!?>!?

Mr Kleen · Post by **Mr Kleen** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:02 pm

the new Supra will be well out of any price range I can foresee myself ever shopping in. last I heard it was going to be in the $70k range as will the new Skyline GT-R. nice cars but nothing I'll be able to afford. sort of like the Cayman. ah, Cayman. you should be cheaper than the Boxster not more expensive...

speaking of cars out of my price range: did anybody hear about Prodrive working on a supercar based on the STi? not sure if it will see production but it's going to be mid-engined and the weight goal is something like 2700lbs. I should try and find that story. it was out around July of this year.

Post by **ElZorro** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:28 pm

sabre wrote:BTW, Subaru isn't doing so well this year from the points standings What's up with that?~!?>!?

Problem = shitty second driver. Petter can't carry the team by himself. When Subaru did well they had two or three great drivers (McRae & Sainz at the same time? awesome...). Now they have one incredible driver and one that should not be on a factory team.

WRXWagon2112 · Post by **WRXWagon2112** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:54 pm

ElZorro wrote:
sabre wrote:BTW, Subaru isn't doing so well this year from the points standings What's up with that?~!?>!?
Problem = shitty second driver. Petter can't carry the team by himself. When Subaru did well they had two or three great drivers (McRae & Sainz at the same time? awesome...). Now they have one incredible driver and one that should not be on a factory team.

I don't know about that. Atkinson's posted some incredible times on various stages but just seems to make a tiny slip-up and has failed to finish a few rallies. He's showing some billiance, just needs to calm down a little and actually finish once in awhile. He was excellent in Japan.

*** RALLY SPOILER ***
Too bad Petter hit that rock and went out. Man, he was devestated!
*** /RALLY SPOILER ***

--Alan

Post by **Sabre** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:59 pm

Mr Kleen wrote:the new Supra will be well out of any price range I can foresee myself ever shopping in. last I heard it was going to be in the $70k range as will the new Skyline GT-R. nice cars but nothing I'll be able to afford.

Oh snap! I didn't know they would be that much...

Mr Kleen wrote: sort of like the Cayman. ah, Cayman. you should be cheaper than the Boxster not more expensive...

It's performance is right smack in the middle of the boxster and the 911, so I think the price might be about right. That is a NICE car! Grab Motor Trend and read the review (or I can bring it to the next meet.... oh wait, that's too far for you...

Mr Kleen wrote: speaking of cars out of my price range: did anybody hear about Prodrive working on a supercar based on the STi? not sure if it will see production but it's going to be mid-engined and the weight goal is something like 2700lbs. I should try and find that story. it was out around July of this year.

post it!!!!

Mr Kleen · Post by **Mr Kleen** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:10 pm

I know where it's performance lands, but it's a hard top Boxster. it's cheaper to build it should cost less. the wankers would still buy the Boxster because they want everybody to SEE them in a Porsche. meanwhile we true auto enthusiasts would speed past them in a Cayman.

starting new thread about Prodrive Supercar. ask and ye shall receive...

Post by **Sabre** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:03 pm

I believe they are going for around 51k... and for that kind of money, you all know EXACTLY what I would buy <cough>Ariel</cough>

WRXWagon2112 · Post by **WRXWagon2112** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:32 pm

sabre wrote:It will be interesting to see how it pans out. I'll miss the Sabaru's Toyota has done well in Rally, so it will be interesting to see the "sharing" of information/hardware between the two.

Now that brings up an interesting possibility ... With the rules changes coming for WRC (in-line four configuration, common transmission, etc.), will we see Subaru use a Toyota engine and continue in the sport? Otherwise their boxer engine would be illegal, right?

--Alan

Post by **Sabre** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:39 pm

^^^ That would be correct. I didn't know if those rules had officially gone through or not. That REALLY sucks...

Post by **ElZorro** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:59 am

sabre wrote:^^^ That would be correct. I didn't know if those rules had officially gone through or not. That REALLY sucks...

Yep, they are official. Start next year I believe.

Mr Kleen · Post by **Mr Kleen** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:19 am

sabre wrote:I believe they are going for around 51k... and for that kind of money, you all know EXACTLY what I would buy <cough>Ariel</cough>

FYI: the Cayman is $58k+

and you know that dealers will be gouging for the first year or two.

spazegun2213 · Post by **spazegun2213** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:59 pm

sabre wrote:I believe they are going for around 51k... and for that kind of money, you all know EXACTLY what I would buy <cough>Ariel</cough>

if i had 51K to spend, i would get a lotus (for a real car) and if i could do aything, i think i would get a saabru and spend the rest on my Sti

Mr Kleen · Post by **Mr Kleen** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:26 pm

I don't know that I'd call the Elise a "real" car. it's more of a large Kart than a car.