Sabre wrote:If it does have near 300HP NA, that might put it's power to weight ratio at something I could believe in...
If what we have read so far is true that the engine will be the same with just a remapped ECU, I don't see a 50% increase in power w/o some huffing and puffing. But then you would have to change the crank/andor/rods/andor/pistons, at that point, it is no longer the same engine.
Something has got to give.
Patience is the ability to idle your motor when you feel like stripping your gears
zaxrex wrote:If what we have read so far is true that the engine will be the same with just a remapped ECU, I don't see a 50% increase in power w/o some huffing and puffing. But then you would have to change the crank/andor/rods/andor/pistons, at that point, it is no longer the same engine.
Something has got to give.
Indeed. Remember: 240 HP is "less than 300 HP." They insist that there will be NO TURBO just as loud as NO AWD. After seeing the plexi show car in person I can tell you there is no way to get power to those front wheels from the engine.
Now if they used some short of in-hub electric motors on the front wheels...
Subaru is set to debut the BRZ sports car at the Tokyo Motor Show later this year, but it's going to tease us one more time in two weeks at the Los Angeles Auto Show with the BRZ Concept - STI.
This BRZ Concept - STI is the first time that we're actually seeing a full concept version of Subaru's new rear-wheel-drive coupe, we've only seen concepts of the FT-86 and Scion FR-S. The overall design is very similar to Toyota's version, although it gets a different rear end with a large rear wing. The concept is painted in Subaru's "WR Blue Pearl II," which is a new generation of the iconic WR blue paint scheme that has been used on production STI's.
Although the concept basically shows off what an STI version of the BRZ could be like, it unfortunately doesn't have any more power under the hood than the standard engine that will power the BRZ. It's still got the naturally-aspirated 2.0L boxer engine. The BRZ Concept - STI features an STI-tuned suspension, Brembo brakes and unique 18-inch wheels and tires.
Come back in two weeks to see all the photos from the show.
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Good choice putting $4,000 rims on your 1990 Honda Civic. That's like Betty White going out and getting her tits done.
The target curb weight was 2800 pounds, distributed with a slight bias toward the front axle. Even so, the handling benchmark was the mid-engine Porsche Cayman (which has a 45/55 weight split), and Masuda says the AS1’s center of gravity is 17.7 inches high, one inch lower than a Cayman’s.
The price target was the toughest of them all, says Masuda. The base sticker is expected to land at about $28,000. At that price, the engineering team had to resist the allure of weight-saving materials and turbos. “The goal was to keep it basic and make it a real handling car,” says Masuda. “Horsepower was not our focus. If you want horsepower, we have the STI.”
On paper, the AS1 is a relatively straightforward engineering set piece that belies the tough bogeys Subaru set for itself. The target curb weight was 2800 pounds, distributed with a slight bias toward the front axle. Even so, the handling benchmark was the mid-engine Porsche Cayman (which has a 45/55 weight split), and Masuda says the AS1’s center of gravity is 17.7 inches high, one inch lower than a Cayman’s.
The price target was the toughest of them all, says Masuda. The base sticker is expected to land at about $28,000. At that price, the engineering team had to resist the allure of weight-saving materials and turbos. “The goal was to keep it basic and make it a real handling car,” says Masuda. “Horsepower was not our focus. If you want horsepower, we have the STI.”
Masuda acknowledges that the platform will accept more power, but based on our sampling, it doesn’t need it. The BRZ prototype we drove embodies what Masuda and Hirakawa say they were aiming for: a rigid, shake-free platform that translates your driving impulses into instant kinetic action. The prototype felt spry and light-footed, beelining into bends with fingertip control through direct and reactive steering. That is, after deep-biting and progressive brakes have scrubbed excess speed. Both ends of the AS1 stayed stuck in high corner speeds, and when grip eventually overheated into slip, the car oozed gently between states.
The BRZ feels more like a joint venture between Subaru and Lotus than a collaboration with Camrys-By-The-Billions, Ltd.
Sabre (Julian) 92.5% Stock 04 STI
Good choice putting $4,000 rims on your 1990 Honda Civic. That's like Betty White going out and getting her tits done.
I just hope it's no Mazda RX-8. I mean....isn't the same demographic? tidy, RWD canyon carver that is only appreciated on the track? S2000 would fall in that bucket too (not a bad thing)
2013 BMW 328i M Sport with 8sp in Estoril Blue II
2012 Chrysler 300C SRT8 - Always bet on black
2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Edition, otherwise known as the MW3 (and badass)
Sabre (Julian) 92.5% Stock 04 STI
Good choice putting $4,000 rims on your 1990 Honda Civic. That's like Betty White going out and getting her tits done.
Sabre (Julian) 92.5% Stock 04 STI
Good choice putting $4,000 rims on your 1990 Honda Civic. That's like Betty White going out and getting her tits done.
>200whp and ability to rev and rip through the gears is a good substitute for that torque push. It's a different type of car for Subaru but more inline with what Toyota normally produces. Depending on how far left the torque peaks and the gearing choices, it can still be a fun, tossable car.
time will tell, I guess.
2013 BMW 328i M Sport with 8sp in Estoril Blue II
2012 Chrysler 300C SRT8 - Always bet on black
2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Edition, otherwise known as the MW3 (and badass)
Indeed. I'm sure people will start putting SC/Turbo's on them and I will be shocked if Subaru doesn't produce one within a year or two of it coming out.
Sabre (Julian) 92.5% Stock 04 STI
Good choice putting $4,000 rims on your 1990 Honda Civic. That's like Betty White going out and getting her tits done.
I had a training the other day on the 2012MY Impreza and I used it as an opportunity to rail my regional guys on "insider" info. They told me that the BRZ will be here in May.
I said " yeah, like the Impreza was going to be here in November?". They pushed back and said that the BRZ will be here in May and the XV will be here in August.
No word on Diesels, Killing the Tribeca or confirm on the Hybrid.
Thanks for sharing! I have to admit, I really do want to test drive a BRZ bad...
Sabre (Julian) 92.5% Stock 04 STI
Good choice putting $4,000 rims on your 1990 Honda Civic. That's like Betty White going out and getting her tits done.
Hahaha, this sounds like exactly my train of thought!
Sabre (Julian) 92.5% Stock 04 STI
Good choice putting $4,000 rims on your 1990 Honda Civic. That's like Betty White going out and getting her tits done.
