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We were talking about this in a different thread, but I figured I should start a new topic on this. I'm very interested in Bulldozer for my next upgrade.

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From a performance standpoint, if you compare our 16-core Interlagos to our current 12-core AMD Opteron 6100 Series processors (code named “Magny Cours”) we estimate that customers will see up to 50% more performance from 33% more cores," Fruehe wrote. "This means we expect the per core performance to go in the right direction — up.
This probably means that it will keep up or surpass i7's architectural advantage.
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Its really interesting to see some of these trends - CPUs were originally intended to be very generalized, you started seeing dedicated math coprocessors in the 70s and 80s, graphics processors really took off in the 80s and 90s (who else remembers seeing their first PC with color graphics?), now you're starting to see enhancements to the math part of processors again. I think my favorite from a couple years back was the ARM processor with dedicated functionality for encryption.
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zaxrex wrote:Math: The only true universal language.
you forget music
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PGT wrote:
zaxrex wrote:Math: The only true universal language.
you forget music
Music is the pleasure of the human soul experiences from counting without being aware that it is counting. - Gottfried Leibniz
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Sabre wrote:
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zaxrex wrote:Math: The only true universal language.
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This is looking like one MEAN architecture!
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AMD is juggling a ton of jargon, from far-reaching initiatives to very specific logic designs. The following list should help clarify some of what the company is doing. We’ll start with the broadest concepts and narrow it down to the hardware you’ll see turned into actual products.

Initiatives:

Fusion: AMD is using the word Fusion to describe an approach to processor design and software development, in its words: “…delivering powerful CPU and GPU capabilities for HD, 3D and data-intensive workloads in a single-die processor called an APU (accelerated processing unit). APUs combine high-performance serial and parallel processing cores with other special-purpose hardware accelerators, enabling breakthroughs in visual computing, security, performance-per-watt and device form factor.”

In short, an APU designed according to AMD’s Fusion initiative will include a CPU and a GPU on a single piece of silicon. The improvements an APU are expected to deliver include: enhanced mainstream gaming performance and accelerated video transcoding, to name a couple of specific examples.

Microarchitectures:

Bulldozer: One of two new x86 architectures, Bulldozer will be used in performance desktops and servers. Bulldozer-based modules will serve as the basis for AMD’s next generation of processors. The company has already confirmed that it’ll maintain socket compatibility with existing Magny-Cours-based Opteron processors. Thus, you can expect to see Bulldozer-based CPUs dropping into existing server boards and, likely, Socket AM3 desktop platforms as well. AMD’s target power use for Bulldozer-based chips is between 10 and 100 W.

Bobcat: The second of two new x86 architectures, Bobcat is aimed at the low-power, ultrathin notebook and netbook spaces. Expect Bobcat-based cores to go up against Intel Atom and Via Nano. AMD has aspirations of hitting a sub-1 W power ceiling, though there will likely be models exceeding that figure. Bobcat is designed to be synthesizable, meaning AMD can build it into complementary logic blocks more easily than a processor laid out by hand. In other words, expect to see Bobcat CPUs rolled into AMD’s Fusion initiative.

Platforms:

Sabine: Mainstream mobile platform based on the Llano APU, which will see a quad-core Stars-based CPU and DirectX 11-class graphics processor tied together on the same piece of silicon, manufactured using 32 nm lithography. Sabine is expected to arrive in 2011.

Brazos: Ultra low-power mobile platform based on the Ontario APU, which will see a dual-core Bobcat-based CPU and DirectX 11-class graphics processor tied together on the same piece of silicon. Brazos is expected to arrive in 2011, and will allow AMD to drive netbooks, along with form factors the company’s hardware hasn’t yet appeared in (possibly tablets).

Scorpius: Enthusiast desktop platform based on AMD’s Zambezi processor and discrete graphics (AMD, of course, specifies an ATI GPU). The platform requires a quad-core CPU or higher, DDR3 memory, and a revised Socket AM3 interface. Availability is expected in 2011.

Lynx: Mainstream desktop platform based on AMD’s Llano APU. It’ll feature up to four CPU cores, a single graphics core (integrated onto the APU, naturally), and DDR3 memory. Availability is expected in 2011.

Components:

Llano: This is going to be AMD’s first APU, combining a quad-core Stars-based CPU and DirectX 11-class GPU on a single piece of silicon. It’ll be manufactured using a 32 nm SOI process, support DDR3 memory, and include core-level power gating. Because there are brand new capabilities in play here, it should surprise no one that Llano will drop into a new socket interface. Availability is expected in 2011.

Ontario: While the Llano APU absorbs much of AMD’s risk in shifting to 32 nm manufacturing (since it employs a familiar CPU microarchitecture and more mature manufacturing process), Ontario will be the first APU to employ AMD’s Bobcat CPU microarchitecture. Ontario is manufactured at 40 nm, armed with DirectX 11-class graphics, and expected in 2011.

Zambezi: Per AMD, Zambezi will be the first desktop processor based on the company’s Bulldozer architecture. Featuring as many as eight cores, Zambezi-based offerings will incorporate as many as four processor “modules.” AMD plans to use 32 nm manufacturing, and early reports suggest Socket AM3 compatibility (along with DDR3 memory support). Zambezi is not an APU, but rather is meant to be paired with discrete graphics.

Interlagos/Valencia: Respective code-names for AMD’s upcoming 16-core and eight-core Opteron processors, respectively, both based on the Bulldozer microarchitecture. Interlagos will drop into the existing G34 interface, while Valencia is C32-compatible. Both families will be manufactured using 32 nm SOI lithography, will support DDR3 (including load-reduced DIMMs and 1.25 V memory modules), and are expected in 2011.
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According to a roadmap leaked by a Swedish forum, the desktop version of Bulldozer comes by April. Engineering samples of Zambezi AM3+ CPU are expected in December 2010 and hopefully this has already happened.

Production candidate 32nm silicon should be ready by February 2011 and the CPU should be production ready by March 2011.

The launch should take place in April, which is the first month of Q2 2011. Many people expected this CPU at a later date, and this up to 8-core processor series might be something to get AMD much needed traction and attention.

The Scorpius platform also comes with AMD 990FX Northbridge that can take care of 2x16 PCIe Crossfire mode and it comes matched with SB950. The new SB950 southbridge supports Raid 5, 14 USB 2.0, 6 SATA ports at 6Gb/s as well as AMD overdrive. Unfortunately there is no native USB 3.0 support.

Scorpius also supports AMD 990X chipset with two 8X PCIe Crossfire capable slots, AMD 880G in AMD3+ version that has one 16X PCIe slot as well as integrated DX10.1 graphics card at 560MHz. The last chipset to support Scorpius needs is AMD 970 and this little one has only one PCIe16X slot, but the vast majority of people don't need more anyway.


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Toms article
Based on information gathered by "industrial sources,"various reports are indicating that AMD plans to launch its upcoming high-end desktop Bulldozer CPUs sometime during the week of June 20, 2011.

According to the reports, Bulldozer will arrive in quad-core, six-core and eight-core variants using the FX brand name. Two will be AMD FX4000-series chips, two will be AMD FX6000-series chips and four will be AMD FX8000-series chips. Four processors are slated to arrive in Q2 2011 while the other four are planned for a Q4 2011 release.

After the release of the initial Bulldozer processors in June, AMD is expected to launch its Llano "A-Series" APUs. These will arrive on the market in two-core, three-core and quad-core variants during the week of July 4. A total of eleven Llamo APUs will be released throughout the calendar year, the reports claim.

An additional leaked slide maps out the next two years, revealing that all three Llano APUs will supposedly support 1,600 MHz DDR3 memory at 45W and feature the "BeaverCreek" and "WinterPark" integrated DirectX 11 GPUs. The Llano APUs will target the mainstream and performance markets during 2011 whereas the Zacate and Ontario will focus on the essential and sub-12-inch markets respectively.

Looking ahead into 2012, AMD's roadmap shows the Trinity, Richland, Wichita and Krishna APUs. The first three will target the essential, mainstream and performance markets while the Krishna APU will target the sub-12-inch devices. All four feature Fusion graphics and support DDR3 memory.
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How did you fry an Athlon II, aren't those fairly new?
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Overclocking the living hell out of it. It lasted me 3 years, I can't complain :) It's started to act flaky a month ago (not booting (as in, no BIOS screen)) and finally one day it gave up the ghost.
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How much of an overclock?
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I had it stable at 3.2Ghz and both of my 260's WAAAY Oc'ed as well. I pushed the CPU to 3.4Ghz a couple of times, but it just wasn't stable up there. This was on of the Windsor core's, so not the most OC friendly unfortunately.
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Four AMD Bulldozer Chips Incoming: Details Revealed

AMD Finalizes Shipment Dates for Next-Gen Chips
Shipments of AMD FX-series high-end desktop microprocessors will commence on the week of June 20th, 2011; Supplies of A-series APUs will begin on the week of July 4th, 2011, according to industrial sources. As expected, AMD's Bulldozer central processing units for desktops will become available earlier than Llano APUs. As a result, AMD will be able to create a "halo" effect for its microprocessor lineup with a high-end offering that is projected to outperform existing Phenom II chips by 50%.

Based on a document seen by X-bit labs, AMD plans to release four eight-core AMD FX8000-series chips, two six-core AMD FX6000-series microprocessors and two quad-core AMD FX4000-series central processing units (CPUs) this year; four chips are to be launched in Q2 2011, another four processors will be introduced in Q4 2011. The amount of quad-core and dual-core A-series APUs to be released this calendar year will be eleven, if the plans do not change.

One of the intrigues that remain is the formal launch date of the new CPUs and APUs by AMD. Some expect the company to introduce its desktops chips with Bulldozer micro-architecture at the E3 trade-show.
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OpenBenchmark.org just started seeing results submitted from a AMD Interlagos CPU (AKA, the Xeon equivalent of the Bulldozer chip).
C-Ray happens to be one of our favorite multi-threaded ray-tracing benchmarks. What does this compare to? Well, running an easy OpenBenchmarking.org comparison shows just how fast AMD's Bulldozer is looking to be. While there are other software/hardware differences in play too, the 32-core 1.80GHz Bulldozer system's 25 seconds compared to the Intel Core i5 2500K (quad-core + Hyper Threading; 3.3GHz + 3.7GHz Intel Turbo Boost) at 61 seconds or the dual quad-core AMD Opteron 2384 system of ours taking 127 seconds to complete. The Intel Core i7 970 (six cores + Hyper Threading; 3.2GHz Base Frequency + 3.46GHz Turbo Boost) comes in at about 61 seconds too.
However, this is not the fastest C-Ray result we have encountered on our open and collaborative benchmarking platform. A Dell PowerEdge server that's packing four Intel Xeon X7550 CPUs that each have six-cores and Hyper Threading with a 2GHz base frequency with 2.4GHz Turbo Frequency and 18MB of L3 cache, is the current winner in that category as shown by doing this dynamic comparison.
Quite impressive. I'm guessing the consumer Bulldozer CPU's will have a much higher speed... and be that much quicker :)
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Xbit Labs
According to a slide, which presumably comes from a presentation by Gigabyte Technology, a major maker of mainboards, AMD will officially launch FX-series central processing unit (CPU) on June 7, 2011, at Computex trade-show in Taipei, Taiwan. The slide was published by ATI-Forum.de web-site.
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XBit Labs - AMD Needs to Boost Clock-Speed of FX "Bulldozer" Chips
The currently available B0 and B1 stepping Zambezi/Bulldozer processors can function at around 2.50GHz/3.50GHz (nominal/turbo) clock-speeds and at such frequency they cannot deliver performance AMD considers competitive, a person with knowledge of the situation said on Monday. As a consequence, AMD needs to tune the design of the processor and create B2 stepping of the chip with better clock-speed potential amid similar thermal design power (TDP), which will take several months to complete. Therefore, the Sunnyvale, California-based chip designer will release its highly-anticipated Bulldozer processors for desktops in September, not in June, as planned.
XBit Labs - AMD May Delay Launch of FX-Series "Zambezi" Microprocessors.
Advanced Micro Devices may further delay release of its highly-anticipated FX-series microprocessors code-named Zambezi that are based on the Bulldozer micro-architecture, according to slides published by a web-site. Apparently, AMD may only launch its next-generation chips for desktops only in September, if the slides are genuine.

Two images, which resemble those from AMD's roadmaps, indicate that the FX-series "Zambezi" central processing units (CPUs) will only be production ready in August and will be launched on Septembers. The images, which were published by Zol.com.cn web-site, also point to new model numbers for the chips: FX-8150, FX-8100, FX-6100 and FX-4100, which may indicate that the company intends to alter previously set specifications of the chips.

Earlier it was believed that AMD would launch its FX-series of chips in June, 2011, at the E3 trade-show. It was also reported that the highest-performing eight-core offering would cost $320, which is in line with the top-of-the-range Core i-series "Sandy Bridge" CPU.

The potential delay of Zambezi to September will be another postponement in a long row of Bulldozer set-backs. Initially, the company wanted to make Bulldozer micro-architecture powered chips using 45nm SOI process technology, but it was not economically feasible. As a result, AMD had to stick to 32nm SOI fabrication process, which turned out to be problematic for its partner Globalfoundries. The latter even had to reconsider its agreements with AMD under which the latter pays only for working dies, not wafers that contain potentially faulty chips.
I'm REALLY hoping to see Bulldozer come out of the gates at 3.5-4.5Ghz... they really need that speed to keep up with Sandy Bridge, even if the (bulldozer) architecture is more efficient. In the means time, I bought a Sandy Bridge CPU/MB that I will turn into my VM server once Bulldozer comes out (and that is, if it looks as good as I hope).
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Another engineering sample has surfaced!
The obtained benchmark results of AMD FX-8130P are as follows:

3DMark 2011: P6265 points (comparable to Intel Core i7-2600K);
Cinebench R10 (64-bit): 24 434 points (comparable to Intel Core i7-2600K);
Fritz Chess Benchmark: 14 197 kilo nodes per second (faster than Intel Core i7-2600K);
PCMark 7: 3045 points;
Super Pi (1M): 19.5 seconds;
x264-Benchmark: 136.29fps (1 pass), 45.4fps (2 pass) (slightly slower compared to Core i7-990X);
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lol, I am a bit of a Bulldozer whore... I just really hope that they come out with something awesome at half the price of Intel.
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Is Bulldozer out yet? I'm getting the upgrade itch.
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