Update: Subaru/Toyota Coupe CONFIRMED!!1!

[sirwilliam]

car looks hawt.

[PGT]

^^^ I'm sure that will be a competitor... should be interesting to see who comes out on top!

not with 180hp of NA fury it won't. The 2.0L mill in the Hyundai and Kia offerings makes that look cheap (oh, the irony)

[sirwilliam]

I have a feeling that they will purposefully hold out on the turbo to start, milk the N/A for all it is worth, and then put out something that everyone really wants...kind of like when they put out the regular edition LOR blurays and then offer the extended versions later. But, regardless, it is a sweet looking ride as of those pics...we have no idea the final product looks or offerings...we have no idea the performance that will be offered until it actually comes out.

[Sabre]

^^^ I'm sure that will be a competitor... should be interesting to see who comes out on top!

not with 180hp of NA fury it won't. The 2.0L mill in the Hyundai and Kia offerings makes that look cheap (oh, the irony)

All depends on weight

[avriette]

All depends on weight

Subaru has a really hard time making cars that come in under 3500lbs. They have airbags to protect the other airbags. Modern cars meeting modern nanny restrictions are just going to be heavy. I think it's clear that with a small motor you can still make gobs of power, but it's gotta have forced induction. Alternatively, I guess, it could have lots of CF and aluminum on it, but that's going to make it deadly expensive, and Subaru ain't interested in a $50k sports car. It's just not their market.

[PGT]

a FWD MINI Cooper S with no sunroof and no options weighs in at 2600+lbs. Its reasonably quick in standard form but look at what the AWD system adds to that and you're easily into 1.5T territory.

Then again, the Japanese like to use recycled beer cans for sheet metal so it might still be light! Better get on a payment plan with your local PDR guy

[Mr Kleen]

Forgoing AWD will save quite a bit of weight, no turbo will save a little more (but at the cost of power and my support).
It's starting to sound like a hard top Miata.

[Sabre]

New York 11': Scion FR-S Concept Continues to Tease Us

[PGT]

saw a graphic that showed this car is not much bigger than a Miata

[complacent]

saw a graphic that showed this car is not much bigger than a Miata

that's very good news.

[sirwilliam]

saw a graphic that showed this car is not much bigger than a Miata

that's very good news.

This.

[Raven]

Give it up guys, they're never gonna make this car.

[sirwilliam]

Just another link...

2012 Scion FR-S Five Axis Concept - 2011 New York Auto Show

[Sabre]

Give it up guys, they're never gonna make this car.

[boomee]

underpowered ( most likly to start) chick car most definlty not

[Mr Kleen]

underpowered ( most likly to start) chick car most definlty not

are you saying it's underpowered but not a chick car, or it isn't an underpowered chick car?

[Sabre]

VIDEO: Check out the Sounds of the Toyota FT-86/ Scion FR-S

It's a freaking Youtube video... so I can't view it at work!

[Mr Kleen]

turbo and

[Sabre]

Just got a chance to listen... Sounds very good!

[boomee]

underpowered ( most likly to start) chick car most definlty not

are you saying it's underpowered but not a chick car, or it isn't an underpowered chick car?

its underpowered but not a chick car

[sirwilliam]

Caught Testing: 2012 Scion FR-S - Spy Shots

The Scion FR-S appears to have left the bright lights of New York City for the twists and turns of the world famous Nürburgring. Last seen during the New York Auto Show, the Scion FR-S (Front engine, Rear wheel drive, Sport) was sporting notably flashy bodywork courtesy of Five Axis, a show car and customization house in Southern California. We never expected the concept car’s massive 20-in. wheels and rear diffuser to reach production. But we hoped the aggressive contours of this sports coupe would remain (relatively) intact.

Goodbye Fender Peaks

The FR-S prototype spotted near the Nürburgring has confirmed our suspicions about the production model being more toned down in overall appearance. A new rear wing has been installed, and smaller rims have replaced the show car’s oversized wheel package. That’s to be expected. But where are the gorgeous peaked fenders we saw in New York?

Apparently, someone has taken a razor to the curves of the FR-S Concept. Unless this test mule’s swirly paint is doing a fantastic job of hiding some design details, the production car will look vastly less dramatic. A large pair of exhaust pipes sticking out back at least holds onto the promise that this rear-wheel-drive coupe should be a riot to drive.

Flat-4 Power

Developed by both Toyota and Subaru, the Scion FR-S will be powered by a naturally aspirated 2.0-liter flat-4 engine that produces about 200 bhp. A 6-speed manual or 6-speed automatic transmission with steering wheel mounted paddle shifters will be available. There will also be a Subaru-badged version. All-wheel-drive and turbocharged engines could eventually make their way into the range (either in the Scion or, more likely, the Subaru).

I definitely see the subaru wheels.

[Sabre]

I'll be curious what kinds of times it puts down at the ring! Yam, those are definitely Suby wheels

[Mr Kleen]

And the watering-down begins...

[complacent]

And the watering-down begins...

agreed. man i hate this thread.

hate. it.

[Raven]

Everything is watered down these days. Hardcore generally doesn't sell in large enough numbers to be viable for a volume manufacturer like Toyota. Porsche can do these sorts of things because they operate on a much higher profit margin.