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netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:47 am
by sirwilliam
netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds
When Netflix started up more than 10 years ago, its sales pitch was pretty simple: Hey, subscribe to us, and we'll mail you DVDs that you can then mail back to us without worrying about any late fees. But as the rental market moves toward online and on-demand models, Netflix's iconic red envelopes may eventually become as antiquated as VHS tapes. Beefing up their streaming business, Netflix has predicted that in about two years their economics will be geared more toward their "Watch Instantly" service than through physical discs. For that to happen, Netflix will have to nudge their DVD-loyal customers to the new platform. And on Monday, the company learned just how hard that may be.

In a seemingly innocent 109-word blog post, Netflix director of product management Jamie Odell announced, "We're removing the 'Add to DVD Queue' option from streaming devices," suggesting that it was being done so that the company "can concentrate on offering you the titles that are available to watch instantly." Granted, the Netflix website still allows DVD queue updating, but this post, dropped on the morning of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, created an immediate firestorm of comments -- most of them very, very angry.

"Clearly Netflix wants to send less discs through the mail, and therefore wants to make it more difficult for the user to add to their queue in furtherance of that," wrote "Eldendor." "Horrible idea!" wrote "usrbingeek." "Especially when there are still few titles available for streaming and the titles that you do have, seem to have very narrow license windows." On and on came the complaints, with most responders saying essentially (1) I like having access to DVDs even if I use a PS3 or mobile phone to stream movies on Netflix; and (2) there aren't enough good titles available on "Watch Instantly." "I think this is a totally foolish move on your part. I like to be able to add movies to my DVD queue from my iPhone," commented "b.dsign." "f this means that netflix is going to add more movies to watch instantly i support the change," "Beto" wrote, "but if they are not, then it's just a bad idea."

As of yet Netflix hasn't released any response, which, really, is their response. Whether customers like or not, Netflix knows that the future is moving away from physical discs and toward instant access. And, really, none of us who use Netflix should be surprised: Back in November the company announced that they were offering a new lower subscription rate for streaming-only customers while increasing the rate for people who still wanted DVDs. Right now, if you want DVDs from Netflix, the company is less than thrilled with you: They need you to get used to the idea of streaming films and TV shows so that you'll drop the physical disc habit: a craving, ironically, that they themselves created thanks to the ease of their iconic red envelopes.

But while Netflix is slowly discouraging the continued interest in DVDs, they face a different challenge even if their business model transformation succeeds. As Slate reported, if Netflix's streaming business takes off the way they think it will, it could prove a serious drain on America's broadband capacity, which is far less nimble than other countries'. Netflix is angering customers right now because the company wants to do away with DVDs: We don't even want to think of a future where Netflix angers the entire Internet community because too many people are streaming old episodes of "Friends" at the same time.


^^Saw this coming a mile away.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:18 am
by PGT
Netflix's original business model was NOT rentals, it was selling DVD's plain and simple. Ca. 1996. Once they became more mainstream and available, they moved to the rental model.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:30 am
by Sabre
I'm with Beto on this one: If they had 90% of their collection as streamable, this would be perfectly acceptable... but they don't.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:46 am
by PGT
they've also based their streaming service on (Amazon's) cloud. That, I cannot support!! :notcool:

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:15 pm
by hotsam
Yuck....the streaming selection sucks and the video quality isn't very good either.

I'll keep getting Bluray discs in the mail.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:32 pm
by Raven
I'll just keep using a computer to do netflix things.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:40 pm
by complacent
i'm pretty firmly in the "meh" camp on this one.

i probably stream ten times more movies than i watch on discs shipped. wife is definitely the same way.

it's a lot easier to start a movie in the bedroom, pause it, move to the living room and make my way through the middle on the tv there (through ps3) and then finish up the thing on an iphone or computer if one or both locations are otherwise occupied.

i like the mobility. i don't like discs. generally speaking. if we reeeeeeely have a collective hardon for a new release we'll go to blockbuster or redbox. doesn't happen often.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:44 pm
by hotsam
I'm addicted to Bluray sound quality.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:38 pm
by Mr Kleen
this-title-is-misleading-they-just-removed-one-button-from-one-type-of-service.

licensing issues are keeping a lot of things off of the watch-it-now list. and now that netflix has proven the business model I look for some of the big players to snub them all together and only offer streaming from their own services. :|

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:36 am
by Sabre
^^^ and that will be MUCH worse for the consumer. You'll have to have subscriptions to every TV production company and movie studio! Lucas Arts, NBC etc. etc.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:19 am
by chicken n waffles
Sabre wrote:^^^ and that will be MUCH worse for the consumer. You'll have to have subscriptions to every TV production company and movie studio! Lucas Arts, NBC etc. etc.
not for long, most likely.

they will centralize eventually, once there is a large enough demand to realize substantial profit.

see: steam

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:32 am
by Raven
Even then there will still be hold outs.

see: Blizzard.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:34 am
by chicken n waffles
Raven wrote:Even then there will still be hold outs.

see: Blizzard.
good for them.

see: more words

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:21 am
by Sabre
^^^ lol

It is true, there will always be holdouts... but what kills me is that Netflix seems like the most logical route to do this! Logic, sadly, isn't how most places run, it's by profits.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:47 pm
by Raven
Well everyone tried they're own electronic distribution before they just said, "fuck it, we'll let valve do it." We may just be at that stage right now.

Re: netflix-is-abandoning-dvds-customers-who-prefer-dvds

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:21 pm
by Mr Kleen
Raven wrote:Well everyone tried they're own electronic distribution before they just said, "fuck it, we'll let valve do it." We may just be at that stage right now.
it helped that Valve made a few desirable products themselves. :wink: