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I just peed my pants a little bit.

I will see this opening day.

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Gavin Hood wrote:Hello fellow Ender’s Game fans. It’s been four years since I first began writing a screenplay based on the classic novel. I love the book. And I especially love the character of Ender Wiggin. I was drafted into an army myself at 17, and Ender’s journey of self discovery - his battles with authority figures he does not trust and his development as a leader - are themes I strongly relate to.

Without exception, every person who works on this wonderful film brings more than just skill to the table. They bring passion. Like me, they are huge fans of this story: of its unique environments, its amazing characters and its great, timeless themes.

We are now well into post production and the famous zero gravity battle room scenes are looking fantastic. We started a year ago by sending our talented young actors off to a “space camp” to train under the guidance of real NASA astronauts. They learned to move in zero gravity environments and experienced the wonderful feeling of weightlessness. Mix in some truly incredible visual effects work and today we are looking at battle room scenes that will blow your mind!

Tomorrow you will get your very first look at the battle room with the reveal of the teaser poster on Yahoo! Movies. For now, enjoy a small tease of Ender’s feet at the gate! I wish I could show you more, but with just over six months to go before our Nov 1 release date, the poster will at least give you a small glimpse of what we are working towards.



Until then, keep your “knees up” and thank you for all your support so far.

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OH MY GOD! YEEEEES

I will be right there in line with you!

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I'm with you!
I will have to go back and read the book again before the film release. It has been forever.
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I loved the book (read it for the first time 3 years ago) but have little faith in Hollywood adapting it. I also hate to give Orson Scott Card any more money to spend on spreading virulent homophobia.
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i'm with kleen on this one... torn.
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I don't think hollywood will screw it up... Card was heavily involved in the screenplay, rejected several before we got to this point.

As far as his personal beliefs... if his beliefs were different, the book wouldn't be the same. Not saying it as an excuse or justification, but something to keep in mind.
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I understand your stance. I take a similar stance on Tom Cruze films. I do think we should remember that card is over 60 years old.
I'm not saying that is an excuse for intolerance, but for most of his life, society's "default" position was anti-homosexual.
It is one thing to be 20 or 30 years old when society begins to become more inclusive, quite another to be 50 or older.
People don't tend to change much past a certain age. And past a certain age there is often extreme resistance to any change, whether external or internal.
How many of us have older relatives from the south who were growing-up during the Civil Rights movement (or friends who do)? Many may still have some rather bigoted views dispite being otherwise decent folks.
It is a rare person who can be open and honest with their biases, and even rarer that one can see them and actively seek to change them.
Card may be just like many of us, brilliant, but flawed. I do not think that we should lionize him, but I also don't think we should undermine his artisitic contributions either.
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My dad: over 60, not a bigot. :wink: I have met bigots, none decided that their bigotry was important enough to spend a fortune to spread it. I don't recall any homophobic subtext in the book, and as I said I read it just a couple years ago.

I don't believe it will be well adapted but I also realize that I'm notoriously harsh on movies. I gave The Hobbit a C after all. :lol:
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Mr Kleen wrote:I don't recall any homophobic subtext in the book, and as I said I read it just a couple years ago.
I don't recall any in Enders Game, but some of the follow on books actually deal with controlling populations... but no references to gay people. I think most of it has come out of the media of him being anti-gay, but I'm not sure if I had seen first hand accounts. Maybe anti-gay is too strong... not accepting/understanding?

I think of it as analogous to Chick Fi La. It's definitely an anti-gay company, yet people still eat there, including quite a few of my gay friends. Just because we don't agree with their opinions, doesn't mean the chicken isn't good. I admit I'm conflicted though, because if Adolf Hitler had a chicken sandwich store, I sure as hell wouldn't go to it.
Mr Kleen wrote:I don't believe it will be well adapted but I also realize that I'm notoriously harsh on movies. I gave The Hobbit a C after all. :lol:
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Ender's Game author Orson Scott Card issues plea for tolerance of his intolerance of gays

When will this persecution based solely on sexual orientation and his virulent hatred of it end?

Issuing a plea to set prejudices aside and adopt a more open-minded, progressive approach to accepting things solely on their inherent worth, Orson Scott Card has asked that people stop persecuting the upcoming Ender’s Game simply because he is a homophobe. Card—who has been anti-gay all of his life, despite propaganda that may suggest homophobia is a “choice”—has increasingly come under fire for his sociopolitical orientation, ever since coming out as a homophobe through statements such as “Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books… to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society’s regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.” Over the years, Card’s homophobia has only grown prouder and more flamboyant, as the author continued to take aim at “dictator-judges” who would force laws granting marriage to “tragic genetic mix-ups.” And time and again, Card has been met with angry intolerance for his angry intolerance.

Recently, Card found himself ousted from a planned Adventures Of Superman story, as DC Comics nervously refused to let young readers come into contact with a known homophobe. Now that same discrimination against the hate-filled has threatened to affect the box office for Ender’s Game, with the LGBT group Geeks Out organizing a boycott that is, essentially, like the Stonewall police raid of sci-fi movies, except targeted against homophobes and costing—rather than humans their dignity—Orson Scott Card his money. And just like the Stonewall rioters, Card is here to say he’s finally had enough of being hounded simply for his way of life that involves decrying others’ way of life.

So Card has issued a statement to Entertainment Weekly repudiating the boycott, saying, “Ender’s Game is set more than a century in the future and has nothing to do with political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984.” After thus establishing that gay rights did not exist in 1984—gay people not having been invented until that one episode of thirtysomething—Card similarly invoked the way time inevitably gives way to change, and how we must all learn to publicly give the impression of accepting that change with bitter resignation, if we are to continue making money:

With the recent Supreme Court ruling, the gay marriage issue becomes moot. The Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution will, sooner or later, give legal force in every state to any marriage contract recognized by any other state. Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents of gay marriage will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute.

Indeed, it will be interesting to see whether gay marriage proponents choose to show tolerance to the people whose intolerance is in their very nature—who cannot help but call for the destruction of any government that would support gay marriage, or suggest that “the dark secret” of homosexuality is that it’s often the product of “rape or molestation or abuse”—yet find themselves shamed for these uncontrollable urges, as society tells them they’re wrong.

Sadly for Card, we may not yet have reached that more enlightened era, when homophobes are allowed to live freely without fear of their movies suffering a slight dip in profits. Nevertheless, Card is here, he hates queers, and he suggests you get used to it in time for the movie’s premiere.

:rolllaugh: :rolllaugh: :rolllaugh: :rolllaugh:

I'm tolerant of his intolerance in so much as I don't think it should be illegal to be a giant douche-wad, but I'm NEVER going to give money to people who I know are going to use it to spread hate.
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I gave it a 50/50 that was an onion story... Sad.
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We'll see if it affects ticket sales.
I will still probably see it.
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I probably will to. I seriously disagree his personal beliefs (and this isn't even getting in to his core religious beliefs), but I've been waiting most of a lifetime (literally) to see this movie.
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ElZorro wrote:I gave it a 50/50 that was an onion story... Sad.
It's all true, just written in a sarcastic tone.

I won't say that I will never see the movie. I WILL say that I will never see the movie in a way that puts any money in his pocket. :wink:
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ElZorro wrote:I probably will to. I seriously disagree his personal beliefs (and this isn't even getting in to his core religious beliefs), but I've been waiting most of a lifetime (literally) to see this movie.
Me too :( Still one of my favorite books!
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i was surprised to see that he was pitching his homophobic beliefs so recently.

that kinda kills the theory that he was "just a product of his generation's communal views." that's pretty baked-in, hardcore homophobia.
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Lionsgate to hold LGBT benefit premiere for Ender’s Game, would like to remind you it only adapted Orson Scott Card's book
Though it doesn’t hit theaters until October, Lionsgate’s long-gestating adaptation of Orson Scott Card’s Ender’s Game has become increasingly embattled as its promotional campaign winds up. Card’s patronizingly unremorseful and curt statement on the more vocal responses to his homophobic views did nothing to calm calls for a boycott of the film. And now Lionsgate, which had already left Card out of the upcoming panel at Comic-Con, has gone a step further by releasing an official statement distancing the studio and film from Card’s views, which they say are "completely irrelevant" to the $110 million dollar sci-fi epic it would like people to see this fall.
Citing past productions like Gods And Monsters and The Perks Of Being A Wallflower, and playing up its internal policies recognizing same-sex unions and domestic partnership in employee benefits, the studio further announced it would hold a charity premiere of Ender's Game to benefit LGBT causes. Card is presumably grumbling about all this somewhere, but it’s a savvy and rationally compassionate gesture from a studio looking to calm the outrage before it gets out of control.
A nice gesture in an attempt to make more money from their investment. If they announce that the terms of the deal are that OSC was paid up front and doesn't get a piece of the ticket sales or of any future sequels I'll consider seeing it in the theater. :wiggle:
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Orson Scott Card Worries About Obama Turning "Urban Gangs" Into His Personal Police Force

Don't worry, it's just a piece of speculative fiction. He only dreams/writes about these things because it's... fun?
From reading Enders Game (a truly fantastic book) I would never have thought the author was akin to Rush Limbaugh. :eek:
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:shock: :crazy:

I love his books, but damn, that man is a bit off his rocker...
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ouch. early review.
‘Ender’s Game,’ movie review: Zero stars
Space-war fantasy with Asa Butterfield, Harrison Ford and Hailee Steinfeld is low on gravity and low on intelligence.
On the dark side of the moon, where awful cult sci-fi and fantasy adaptations are buried, there’s a special cave for “Ender’s Game.” This movie of a 1985 outer-space military allegory is one of the dullest, dumbest, most tedious movies this year. It makes “Battlefield: Earth” and “John Carter” look like “The Godfather” parts 1 and 2. “Dune” is “Lawrence of Arabia” next to this thing.

Audiences of all ages, avoid it. Brain cells are too valuable.
“Ender’s Game,” the book, may have a special place in pop-lit. The movie, however, is as special as a migraine.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... Pl“Ender’s Game,” the book, may have a special place in pop-lit. The movie, however, is as special as a migraine.
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So I saw it tonight. Need some time to digest it, but overall - if you expect it to be exactly like the book you'll be disappointed. If you expect it to have the same overall feel, its mostly there.
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I will try to see it this weekend.
I should have gone back and re-read the book.
Perhaps I will after.
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I'll just read the book since I haven't already.
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Thinking about this one more. Being such a long time fan of the book there was no way I was going to be truly happy with the movie. They couldn't have translated it directly to the screen. The book starts you off making it clear Ender's place in the world and slowly builds the weight of it, and the effect of the weight on him, over the course of several hundred pages. The movie gets 2 hours to do this. Some of they ways that they chose to speed up the process felt heavy handed.

I was truly disappointed with Star Wars 1-3 (Jar Jar can get aids and die in written-to-merchandize hell) but I'm not with this. If the do a sequel outside of the written story line I will be though.
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AV Club gave it a B-
Though [writer-director Gavin] Hood significantly compresses the source novel’s epilogue and simplifies its background politicking and violence, he retains the central idea that makes Card’s book so troublesome. Ender is portrayed as a tragic superman who possesses immense destructive power, but can never be held accountable for his actions. He is a victim-hero who can do evil, but remains morally unblemished because of his good intentions—a characterization that appeals to the closet fascist lurking inside every angry teenage boy.
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