I think my engine is done

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:26 am

qoute is for $8900 :puke: time to go to carmax

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:06 pm

Yep, told ya! (Sorry, couldn't help it)
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:28 pm

at carmax now! I thought the quote was high since they are using stock pistons

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:58 pm

2005 Saab 92-X Aero - Hybrid Swap - EvoIII 16G, Injectors, fuel pump, STI TMIC, Cobb AP, Tune, etc.

1 Misc. Sale
2 Sale 10103AB910 - FHI SHORT BLOCK SUBARU STI 04-06 $ 1,999.99 1ea $ 1,999.99
3 Sale 11095AA042 - FHI HEAD BOLT WRX/STI/FXT/LGT/LGTB $ 9.92 12ea $ 119.04
4 Sale 10105AA590 - FHI ENGINE GASKET KIT SUBARU STI 04-06 $ 279.99 1ea $ 279.99
5 Sale 13271AA071 - FHI WASHER FOR VALVE COVER BOLT $ 3.37 16ea $ 53.92
6 Sale PL14460 - PUROLATOR PUREONE OIL FILTER SUBRAU 02 $ 15.56 2ea $ 31.12
7 Sale 11497 - ROYAL PURPLE BREAK-IN ENGINE OIL $ 6.75 5ea $ 33.75
8 Sale 8177 - PDP MOTOR OIL 5W-30 $ 3.60 1ea $ 3.60
9 Sale 11126AA000 - FHI OIL DRAIN PLUG WASHER $ 1.16 2ea $ 2.32
10 Sale GLOBAL COOLANT - GLOBAL COOLANT $ 17.95 2ea $ 35.90
13272AA094 - NRZ VALVE COVER GASKET SUBARU WRX $ 12.95 1ea $ 12.95
2.0L LEFT
11 Sale
13270AA162 - NRZ VALVE COVER GASKET SUBARU WRX $ 12.95 1ea $ 12.95
2.0L RIGHT
12 Sale
806732160 - FHI CAM SEAL EXHAUST AVCS,OR ALL NON $ 5.95 2ea $ 11.90
AVCS CAMS
13 Sale
14 Sale 15010AA300 - FHI OIL PUMP SUBARU $ 139.95 1ea $ 139.95
15 Discount 5% OFF -$ 7.00 1ea -$ 7.00
16 Sale 11109AA053 - FHI OIL PAN SUBARU WRX 02-05 $ 73.15 1ea $ 73.15
17 Discount 5% OFF -$ 3.66 1ea -$ 3.66
18 Sale 15050AA050 - FHI OIL STRAINER WRX $ 23.27 1ea $ 23.27
19 Discount 5% OFF -$ 1.16 1ea -$ 1.16
20 Sale
21 Discount 5% OFF -$ 13.50 1ea -$ 13.50
11051AA070 - FHI HALF MOON SEAL VALVE COVER $ 6.05 4ea $ 24.20
SUBARU
22 Sale
23 Sale 42072PA010 - FHI FUEL FILTER SUBARU $ 27.85 1ea $ 27.85
24 Discount 5% OFF -$ 1.39 1ea -$ 1.39
25 Sale 11832AA031 - FHI VALVE COVER BREATHER SEAL WRX $ 5.37 2ea $ 10.74
GTS-MIS-1117 - GT SPEC DOWNPIPE TO TURBO GASKET $ 19.00 1ea $ 19.00
SUBARU
26 Sale
27 Discount 5% OFF -$ 0.95 1ea -$ 0.95
GTS-MIS-1116 - GT SPEC UPPIPE TO TURBO GASKET $ 15.00 1ea $ 15.00
SUBARU
28 Sale
29 Discount 5% OFF -$ 0.75 1ea -$ 0.75
GTS-MIS-1147 - GT SPEC MANIFOLD TO UPPIPE GASKET $ 15.00 1ea $ 15.00
2 BOLT SUBARU
30 Sale
31 Discount 5% OFF -$ 0.75 1ea -$ 0.75
TD05H-EVO III Big 16G - BLOUCH TURBO TD05H-EVO III $ 895.00 1ea $ 895.00
Big 16G
32 Sale
SUB1-650-4 - DEATSCH WERKS INJECTORS TOP FEED $ 369.00 1ea $ 369.00
650CC SUBARU WRX, STI/ LGT 07-08 (4
33 Sale
34 Misc. Stock injector core credit -$ 100.00 1ea -$ 100.00
PL-Sub201 - P&L MOTORSPORTS HighFLO Intake WRX/STI $ 229.95 1ea $ 229.95
02-07, FXT 05+
35 Sale
36 Misc. Sale Used STI TMIC (other options available, advise) $ 350.00 1ea $ 350.00
WAL-GSS-342 - WALBRO FUEL PUMP 255LPH SUBARU $ 89.95 1ea $ 89.95
WRX
37 Sale
38 Discount 5% OFF -$ 4.50 1ea -$ 4.50
39 Misc. Sale Install fuel pump $ 79.00 1hr $ 79.00
15802 - EXEDY SPORT STAGE 1 ORGANIC CLUTCH KIT $ 519.99 1ea $ 519.99
SUBARU WRX 02-05, FORESTER 04-05
40 Sale
41 Misc. Sale Resurface flywheel $ 75.00 1ea $ 75.00
13028AA240 - MITSUBOSHI TIMING BELT SUBARU $ 99.95 1ea $ 99.95
WRX/STI
42 Sale
43 Discount 5% OFF -$ 5.00 1ea -$ 5.00
44 Sale 21111AA240 - FHI WATER PUMP WRX 05+, STI 04+ $ 139.95 1ea $ 139.95
45 Discount 5% OFF -$ 7.00 1ea -$ 7.00
46 Sale sub-thermost - GRIMMSPEED Subaru 160 Degree Thermostat $ 49.99 1ea $ 49.99
47 Discount 5% OFF -$ 2.50 1ea -$ 2.50
48 Sale 057001 - GRIMMSPEED Subaru Boost Solenoid 02-05 WRX $ 96.79 1ea $ 96.79
49 Discount 5% OFF -$ 4.84 1ea -$ 4.84
50 Misc. Sale R&R Shortblock Labor $ 79.00 18.7hr $ 1,477.30
51 Discount 5% OFF -$ 73.87 1ea -$ 73.87
AP-SUB-001 - COBB TUNING ACCESSPORT SUBARU WRX $ 595.00 1ea $ 595.00
2.0L 02-05
52 Sale
53 Misc. Sale Protuning by Jorge, hosted by IAG Performance $ 400.00 1ea $ 400.00

Total: $ 8,968.79

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by TRANS4M » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:53 am

Please dont give carmax those RS wheels. I'll trade you the steelies ;)

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:07 am

Um, what is that list?
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by complacent » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:22 pm

TRANS4M wrote:Please dont give carmax those RS wheels. I'll trade you the steelies ;)
OH MY GOD THIS!!!!! I'LL BUY/TRADE FOR THEM.
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by TRANS4M » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:22 pm

get in line buddy!

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by complacent » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:24 pm

TRANS4M wrote:get in line buddy!
:cry:
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:54 pm

Sabre wrote:Um, what is that list?
that is the list of parts for the hybrid buid from IAG. Carmax wanted to give me $4000 for the car. No way I am doing that. The dealership where I bought the car offered $7500 if I jump into a fully loaded mazda3 hatch.

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Raven » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:39 pm

What's the cost to rebuilt your 2.0 shortblock?
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by zaxrex » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:06 pm

swapping in a used engine would be cheaper at least $2700 while rebuilding with stock parts would be near $4000. Upgrading would be that plus parts costs. Rebuilding to stock has most of the same labor as building up the engine, just less expensive parts
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:19 pm

Raven wrote:What's the cost to rebuilt your 2.0 shortblock?
Nope!

new sti block + EVO III 16G = :nana:

Do I really need a AP and Oil cooler?

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by complacent » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:42 pm

goob_os101 wrote:
Do I really need a AP and Oil cooler?
Are you doing a complete longblock or just a shortblock?

Either way, you will need significant tuning from the first turn of the key. If you don't do an AP you will need some sort of engine management. An oil cooler is cheap insurance and (IIRC) is stock on teh STi. I would assume with an STi block you would have to purchase the 2.5L oil cooler and not the 2.0L cooler, though I'm unsure of the operating oil temps of a hybrid motor.
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:16 pm

complacent wrote:
goob_os101 wrote:
Do I really need a AP and Oil cooler?
Either way, you will need significant tuning from the first turn of the key.
^elleventy billion Do NOT spend all this money and not get a custom tune. There is no off the shelf AP map that will fit for a hybrid engine (that I know of). Either get a Pro Tune (if you want the AP), get an Open Source tune or replace the computer with something else.
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:09 pm

there is a protuning session with Jorge at IAG. They are charging over $600 for the AP...

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:17 pm

goob_os101 wrote:there is a protuning session with Jorge at IAG. They are charging over $600 for the AP...
I think that Adam (Happyidiot) would sell you his for a lot cheaper!
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:20 am

IAG Told me they only tune with an AP...my thoughts on the AP was that it was good if you ran multiple maps. I don't think I will be doing so. DPS is sending me a quote too

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:59 am

DPS's quote is much better. They do open source tuning and they would be using a EJ257 bare block and using CP forged pistons. I am just waiting for a more detailed qoute

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:05 am

goob_os101 wrote:DPS's quote is much better. They do open source tuning and they would be using a EJ257 bare block and using CP forged pistons. I am just waiting for a more detailed qoute
Sounds like a MUCH better deal already :)
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:21 pm

my brain hurts from the increasing knowledge of building up a 2.0l :rolllaugh:

I also talked to Agile and they suggest against the hybrid due to high compression ratio which will lead to detonation and hot spots and a short life...unless the head is milled to keep the stock CR. I have to confirm with DPS if they do this. Agile suggests going a 2.1 stroker w/ forged pistons. Close to the same price, but more reliable.

I also called EFI logics to comfirm the high CR and they say they get the block milled. They charge $700 for this.

hmmm...lots to think about.

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by zaxrex » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:10 pm

Milling the head, or milling the block? I can see the work on the top to increase head space, but not sure how you would remove material from the deck and lower the compression. Did they happen to explain how they would do that?
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Raven » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:21 pm

goob_os101 wrote:my brain hurts from the increasing knowledge of building up a 2.0l :rolllaugh:
I feel your pain. I almost bought a 06 WRX and did SERIOUS research into the EJ engine series. I came the conclusion the EJ25 has issues that I didn't want to deal with. The EJ20 has serious issues with low end torque though. I think that's because the intake ports are huge relative to the motor size. Hence my evil plan of bolting EJ255 with their small ports onto a EJ20 shortblock.

However, after doing all this research I determined this was not a can of worms I wanted to open and never bought the WRX. :lol:
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:33 pm

zaxrex wrote:Milling the head, or milling the block? I can see the work on the top to increase head space, but not sure how you would remove material from the deck and lower the compression. Did they happen to explain how they would do that?
:plusone:

I've seen people use thicker head gaskets or spacers to accomplish the same thing.
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:52 pm

that would be milling of the head. There will be much detonation if the high CR is not ironed out, but the only people I see having problems are those who are running a stock wrx turbo or VF series.

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