I think my engine is done

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:57 pm

goob_os101 wrote:Thank you all for the input and putting this whole project into prospective. I would really like a bit more than stock 2.0 power. It is up in the air...

Option 1:

new 2.5L block or 2.0 $1200 -> $2500
DW750cc injectors $400
ebay TMIC $300
walbro 255 $100
FP 68HTA Turbocharger $1000
new clutch (have not decided which one) $600 -> $800
tune $200-600
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$4100 + install
Option 2

JDM 04 STI Version 8 complete swap

$6000 + install
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:10 am

Mr Kleen wrote:If you run a stock 5 speed stick with the stock clutch. A heavier clutch will only increase the odds of blowing the stock tranny. Think of the clutch as the fuse in a Subaru 5 speed drivetrain.
Good point!

I really like the idea of the STI swap since I get the extra power yet there is room to grow. I believe the swap is pretty straight forward.

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by complacent » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:34 am

goob_os101 wrote: I believe the swap is pretty straight forward.
except for all the wiring (have you decided on a DCCD controller, it's cost, installation yet?

how about ABS? You'll probably want that to work too.

does this swap include the rear differential? or the brakes? what bolt pattern hubs will you need? will the knuckles match the mounts of your suspension?

any compatibility issues with the instrument cluster?



Trust me, there are a TON of issues to consider, and an equally substantial set of costs to go with it. If you do this, you will have to expend more effort and time than you can fathom right now. If you're seriously considering swapping, I HIGHLY recommend speaking to someone who has owned a swapped subaru. There are many lessons to be learned. You may also want to do some reading up in the Subaru Conversions section of NASIOC.
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Raven » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:53 am

Replacing my 700R4 automatic with a T-5 manual is straightforward. Replacing a 305 with a 350 is straight forward. Fully STI swap...not so much. I watched a group of guys do a full 08 STI swap into a bugeye, and it one point they had the car pretty much completely stripped of everything. Suspension, trans, engine, interior, wiring, EVERYTHING!

Personally, if I were doing this I'd look for a reasonably priced stock 2.5 shortblock and bolt my 2.0 heads onto it. Throw a 16G or similarly sized reasonable turbo and tune it to about 300 BHP.

Well, actually if I were doing this I'd get a 2.0 shortblock and 2.5 WRX heads to try and make a torquey 2.0 to get fuel economy and power, but I'm a freak. My engine plans are always a bit unconventional. :P
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:19 am

I got a quote for $2000 for install of opt 1 and $3200 for opt 2

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:56 am

:shock:
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:21 pm

I was more like :dropgob: then :puke: followed by :banana2:

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:47 pm

Who gave that quote to ya?
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:06 pm

AndrewTech

Opt 1 was with installation of block, new turbo, injectors, TMIC.

Couldn't a bunch of get it done in a weekend? :mrgreen:

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by complacent » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:15 pm

goob_os101 wrote:
Couldn't a bunch of get it done in a weekend? :mrgreen:
Um......no.
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Mr Kleen » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:28 pm

goob_os101 wrote:Couldn't a bunch of highly trained, well paid mechanics get it done in a weekend? :mrgreen:
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by drwrx » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:28 pm

I have to voice my concerns about where you are headed.
If you really want a 2.5, a hybrid build is what you will need to do.
There is so much involved with a true STi swap (engine, ECU, wiring, drivetrain, tuning) that thousands of message boards can't hold it all.
It's not easy and it's NOT cheap. If it was, there would be tons of them rolling around, and there just aren't. And many of the ones that are, are just projects and money pits.

Even the 255 or 257 hybrid is not just a swap and go. The heads and block need to have special spacers so that the compression isn't too high, or the heads have to have some work done to avoid using spacers. There are a couple of threads on NAS*** on this very subject. It also requires some specific tuning to make the hybrid run properly. This has been done quite a bit and there is a lot of info available.

The trany issue is a completely different story. You would be a fool to start looking into a new clutch/trany package while the original is still in good working order. It's easy to see it as a "do it all in one shot" exercise, but that's just another $6,000 that your throwing at a problem that doesn't exist. Unless you are planning to do a great deal of track time it just isn't worth the price. And many will argue that even if the trany does fail a built gear box is the way to go.

My ej205 with a TD05-18G 8cm is running about 320whp / 295lb/ft. There is not a stock turbo STi that I can't match. I take it easy on launches, watch my shifts and keep the maintenance up and I have had zero issues with it.

Put some serious SERIOUS thought into this before you start down a path that may cost you significant time, money and pain.

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Raven » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:15 am

Would a rebuild of the current short block even be an option?
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:40 am

trans only has 82k on it, so I will just leave it be. As far as performance...if I am going to have to spend a chunk of change I might as well get my money's worth. :mrgreen: I think a 68HTA of 18G on a hybrid would be a beast, but a 16g on a a 2.0 with new block will be be just as nice.

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by zaxrex » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:45 am

If you have the luxury of having alternate transportation, then there is nothing wrong with re-building the stock one. But with a separate shortblock, you will have found any gothcas or other problems that may be hiding in the stock one.
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:15 am

Raven wrote:Would a rebuild of the current short block even be an option?
Sure! It just take the shop a little longer and they need more in house capabilities.
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:41 pm

any suggestions a shop that could?

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:54 pm

Andrews and Ar Fabrication :)
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by zaxrex » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:38 pm

Andrewtech used to outsource their block work. They may have it in-house now.
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:43 pm

they send it to IAG

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:53 pm

Wow, very interesting, I had no idea! I know Howard at Ar Fab has all his own machines.
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:20 am

went to my local garage guy and he says the sound is a rod. Since it is not constant it may be a slipped bearing. I am at peace now :rolllaugh: Let's build this Saabaru :nana:

Some options:

05 STi shortblock, Brand new pistons & rings $1500

SUBARU STI EJ257 REBUILT SHORT BLOCK ACL RACE BEARINGS $1500
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUBARU-S ... ccessories

SUBARU EJ20 WRX REBUILT SHORT BLOCK $1100
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUBARU-E ... ccessories

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by zaxrex » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:29 pm

goob_os101 wrote: Let's build this Saabaru
Show me the money
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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by goob_os101 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:54 pm

I have been talking with Rick at IAG about the hybrid build. I should have a quote soon for the following:

EJ57 shortblock (stock)
Larger injectors(650cc)
EVO III turbo
STI TMIC(may be pushing its limits)
New Clutch(stage 1 recommend)
Tune

*timing belt, oil pump, 06+ oil pan, Walboro 255, and some more stuffies.

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Re: I think my engine is done

Post by Sabre » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:16 pm

goob_os101 wrote:I have been talking with Rick at IAG about the hybrid build. I should have a quote soon for the following:

EJ57 shortblock (stock)
Larger injectors(650cc)
EVO III turbo
STI TMIC(may be pushing its limits)
New Clutch(stage 1 recommend)
Tune

*timing belt, oil pump, 06+ oil pan, Walboro 255, and some more stuffies.
Switch to something like this and you'll be fine :)
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