Cylinder 4 Misfire

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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by zaxrex » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:48 am

Sh|+, sorry to hear that, Chuck.
I would tell SOA that you are going to have the engine torn down and inspected to verify their conclusion. Which is true, if you are taking it to AR Fab.
If there was evidence of detonation due to lean conditions, then there will be more than one cyl with issues. If there is no sign of detonation, heat scoring, bearing ware, etc. on the other 3, then it would go to say that the piston was at fault...
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by Libra Monkee » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:12 pm

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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by chicken n waffles » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:48 pm

perhaps a small bank loan is in order?
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by zaxrex » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:12 pm

Well, if you are going to have that work done and get something built, let me know if you are interested in the billet steel crank and semi-closed deck of mine. I even have unused ARP head bolts to go along with it, before Andrewtech broke my JDM heads.

What is the dealership doing about the axle?
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by drwrx » Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:13 pm

I'm so disappointed in SOA (and their dealers).
The standard default response is always "NO"
Oh sure we'll warranty a $250 piece but anything major and it's always some runaround BS.

I'm really sorry to hear it man.

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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by Libra Monkee » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:42 pm

chicken n waffles wrote:perhaps a small bank loan is in order?
Oh sure! Why don't I strap on my loan helmet and squeeze down into a loan cannon and fire off into Loanland where loans grow on little loanies.

Sorry I was having an Always Sunny in Philadelphia moment. :P

And zaxrex. I think I'll take you up on that crank you have. I'm not sure the full extent of the damage to the engine but AR Fab says there's a good chance I'll need a new crank. I won't know for sure until they get a chance to look at it.
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by Sabre » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:42 am

If it's just ring landings, you might be able to get away with:
Pistons
Rings
Bearings

Ya never know! How many miles does the car have on it? Just over 36k, right? The rest should be in good shape. Howard will be able to tell you for sure though. BTW, he has a friend that does towing for him IIRC. Might be able to cut you a good price!
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by sirwilliam » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:50 pm

man, that really sucks dookie, Chuck. Get the new engine and get it done right. May wondrous car happenings come your way!
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by Libra Monkee » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:46 pm

Things have officially been set in to motion. AR Fab is picking up the car tomorrow. The Ramen diet has started anew.
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by Sabre » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:48 pm

:banana2: :banana2: :banana2:

Seriously though, I'm very happy to hear this!
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Post by Libra Monkee » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:05 pm

Okay! After talking to just about everyone who works for Subaru, they're going to cut me a check (prorated of course) for the remainder of my warranty.
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by ElZorro » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:08 pm

Cool, I'm sure every little bit helps.
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by complacent » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:14 pm

that was halfway decent of them... i guess.

what happens when your trans is teh borked or an a/c compressor goes?

is the money they'll give you worth it?

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Post by chicken n waffles » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:16 pm

complacent wrote:that was halfway decent of them... i guess.

what happens when your trans is teh borked or an a/c compressor goes?

is the money they'll give you worth it?

(friendly neighborhood devil's advocate here)
exactly what i was thinking.

good of them to do something, though. blue lightning needs to get her pretty ass in gear (c wut i did thar?).
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by complacent » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:21 pm

chicken n waffles wrote: blue lightning needs to get her pretty ass in gear (c wut i did thar?).
a nose job wouldn't hurt either.


(c wut i did thar? )

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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by Libra Monkee » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:21 am

So this is the estimate I got back from AR Fab. First question, how much of this stuff don't I need?
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by complacent » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:07 pm

Ouch! To be honest, the only thing I can see is perhaps the forged rods. Assuming the stockers are straight and can be fitted with new bearings without too much work of course.

Other than that, I can't blame them for wanting to replace every little part (oil cooler, oil pump, water pump, etc) that could possibly have some debris in it... It's the only way they could guarantee their own work IMHO.

Damn thassa lossa cash.
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by Sabre » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:28 pm

First off, what happened to your engine? What kind of damage and such?

The fact that they are including the some of those parts makes me think there was some major damage.

Are you sure you want to build up something like this? It's a hell of a block, but unless you are going to put a big turbo on it, it doesn't make much sense to go that big. A setup like that will include:
Big turbo $1700-2000
Injectors $400-600
Fuel Pump $70-200
Tune $200-600
FMIC $300-1000

A stock replacement engine would run you a good bit less if you are just going to stay with the stock turbo. Whatever you do, make sure to get a good tune on it!
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Re: Cylinder 4 Misfire

Post by zaxrex » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:10 pm

This may be a 'worst case' scenario estimate so they don't shoot themselves in the foot. I have a feeling that after their 'inspection', most of your ancillary parts will be OK. I.E.;I'm not sure what kind of debris would be in the tensioner pulley or water pump that would warrant their replacement. If there is no damage to the oil strainer, cooler, and pan include them in the "dissasembly, inspection and degrease" and use them again.

I do have one question.

Why do they make a line item for dissasembly and assembly in each 'package' and then charge for the same description again? If the block and heads are taken apart, cleaned, and reassembled under the recon Engine and Recon Head packages, shouldn't it be fairly clean and assembled?
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