Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

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Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by goob_os101 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:39 am

I would like to have a meet up to help me install my stage II goodies:

STI Uppipe
Bosal Shorty DP
Water Temp. Oil Pressure
XPT Stage II software (need someone to bring the cable and knowledge)
Spark plugs


Location: Ft Myer Hobby shop
Date: Jan 17th or 24th
Time: 11am

I will provide pizza and drinks for your help and knowledge.
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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by Mr Kleen » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:50 am

you do realize that January 12, 2009 is a Monday, right?

you wrapping the DP? if you buy the materials I'll be glad to do it for you but I need to do it at least a week before to give it time to cure. ask around: I'm a wrapper. :mrgreen:

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by Sabre » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:32 am

If it's on the weekend, I will try my best to be there!
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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by goob_os101 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:24 pm

Sorry I was looking at Jan 08....it will be the 10th.

I coated the DP with VHT flameproof, so I don't think I need to have it wrapped, but thanks for the offer.

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by drwrx » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:30 am

goob_os101 wrote:I coated the DP with VHT flameproof.
As long as it's the 1300-2000 degree stuff that will work fine. I've used it numerous times and it works great.
Since you only have the shorty down-pipe I would recommend that you cure it in the oven before you install it.
Bake it at 250 degrees for 30 minutes.
Let cool for 30 minutes
Bake at 400 degrees for 30 minutes
Let cool for 30 minutes
Bake at 600 degrees for 30 minutes (most ovens don't go this high so just set it as high as it goes, mine was 550)
Let cool for 30 minutes.

The pipe is going to get banged up a bit when you install it, and if it's cured before it goes on, the coating will hold-up better.

Also, if your going to do the up-pipe you should probably think "headers" as well. They are one mod I always push; they make big power gains (12 whp, 16 lbft on average), lower EGTs and allow better flow at high boost with very little trade off. What's not to love!

You can also find them cheap on ebay: ($100 shipped)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-03-04 ... 3062wt_961

I have installed this set twice now and have found them to be worth getting.
I will be getting a set myself come spring.

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by Mr Kleen » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:58 pm

I coated mine, then wrapped it, then coated the wrap. 8)

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by zaxrex » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:11 pm

There is a reason most stoves have a locking mechanism associated with the "clean" mode. The oven will get much hotter than the max temp on your dial. Problem on the ones that I have played with, the clean cycled locks the door and you can't open it untill the temps have come back down, or worse, it is on a timer.

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by goob_os101 » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:53 pm

drwrx wrote:
goob_os101 wrote:I coated the DP with VHT flameproof.
As long as it's the 1300-2000 degree stuff that will work fine. I've used it numerous times and it works great.
Since you only have the shorty down-pipe I would recommend that you cure it in the oven before you install it.
Bake it at 250 degrees for 30 minutes.
Let cool for 30 minutes
Bake at 400 degrees for 30 minutes
Let cool for 30 minutes
Bake at 600 degrees for 30 minutes (most ovens don't go this high so just set it as high as it goes, mine was 550)
Let cool for 30 minutes.

The pipe is going to get banged up a bit when you install it, and if it's cured before it goes on, the coating will hold-up better.

Also, if your going to do the up-pipe you should probably think "headers" as well. They are one mod I always push; they make big power gains (12 whp, 16 lbft on average), lower EGTs and allow better flow at high boost with very little trade off. What's not to love!

You can also find them cheap on ebay: ($100 shipped)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-03-04 ... 3062wt_961

I have installed this set twice now and have found them to be worth getting.
I will be getting a set myself come spring.
The VHT flame proof is 2000 deg.

I did some research on the ebay headers and they are said to crack.

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by drwrx » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:06 pm

goob_os101 wrote:I did some research on the ebay headers and they are said to crack.
I'd be shocked if that were true. Where did you get that info? I'd like to see that post. I'd also have to see a lot of reports before I bought into it. Folks made the same claim about the Borla headers and I've run the 1st gen set on my car for over 4 years. Also, be careful of random posts if 1,000 of these were sold and 4 people wrote in about "cracking" that's less than a .25% failure rate. For $100 I'd take that bet.

There is little to no stress on the welds at the flanges of headers (which is where 90+% of all cracks will appear. The big area where I would expect headers to crack would be at the up-pipe, but 99 times out of 100 it's the up-pipe that cracks.

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by drwrx » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:13 pm

Both of those are the megan racing style 1-piece headers, which I wouldn't recommend getting as the install is difficult.
However, Matt has had a set on his Legacy for 3 years now and
I also wouldn't recommend buying pre-coated headers unless I knew who did them. Going cheap with commercial coating is usually bad ju-ju.

The ones I'm recommending are the two piece design.
They are also a fairly easy install (the o2 sensor being the only difficulty)

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by drwrx » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:45 pm

Yep, that's the design.
Get the cheapest you can find.
You already have a catless up-pipe, so you don't need the up-pipe but the diameter of the two will be different. Don't worry, there won't be any leak issues.
If you do decide to get the up-pipe, pay the extra $10 and get the flex up-pipe.

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by snaab » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:10 pm

Mr Kleen wrote:I'm a wrapper. :mrgreen:

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by zaxrex » Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:37 pm

goob_os101 wrote:something like this then:
nevermind...
I wrote a big long post about how this was a three bolt up-pipe flange and how much of a bitch it is.

I was looking at the wrong picture.

Only thing I would say is that without a flex section in the up pipe, you run the risk of developing a crack at the collector joint. I have one there and these were high quality good rep pieces. Time temp and stress at that point don't work too well.
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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by drwrx » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:15 pm

zaxrex wrote:Only thing I would say is that without a flex section in the up pipe, you run the risk of developing a crack at the collector joint. I have one there and these were high quality good rep pieces. Time temp and stress at that point don't work too well.
Yep, you and Julian and about 200 other folks have had such experiences. There has to be some flex in that area or a crack will happen, it's just a matter of time.

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by Sabre » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:54 pm

Yep :( Whenever mine crack again, I'll be going for a set with a flex section (and probably only a two bolt design).
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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by goob_os101 » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:49 pm

so back on topic now...

Can I get a hand getting to stage II....I needs mo powa...

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by Sabre » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:34 am

I will definitely find a weekend to help you out, more than likely after new years (since it's so close, yikes!). Jan 12th looks like it will work right now.
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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by drwrx » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:26 pm

I'll check my calendar. I know there are two weekends in January that are no-goes as well as two in February.
If you decide to do it on a weekend I'm not available, I'll get my Tactrix cable to Julian.

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by zaxrex » Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:56 pm

I Will not be in town, the way things are going now, but if I find myself around with an itch to wrench, call me greesy!
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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by goob_os101 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:01 pm

Anyone up for the install or should I move it to the end of the month?

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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by Sabre » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:38 pm

I'll talk to the wife tonight to make sure my calender is free!
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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by zaxrex » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:53 pm

I'll be down for a couple of hours. I'm in town even...
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Re: Goob's Stage II Spectacular Episode III

Post by drwrx » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:05 pm

It looks like I'll have to work, sorry.

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